My knowledge of Jim Jackson is more or less limited to his playing days in Philadelphia. So I'm curious, how does he compare to former Rockets swingmen Shandon Anderson and James Posey? He most likely won't be as important to the Rox as Shandon or Posey were, but he should be a big part of our run to the playoffs nonetheless. Here's what I've been able to pick up from reading: His post game is similar to Anderson's, and better than Posey's. He's a better shooter than either of them, and runs the break almost as well as Anderson, and better than Posey. On D, he's just as good on the perimeter as Anderson or Posey, and slightly better on-the-ball (Apparently... I still saw nothing out of him that impressed me when he was a Sixer). So basically, he should be a good role player, but I doubt he'll really be a key player. Have I missed anything big?
He's a more complete player than either of those guys but Shandon Anderson was a scrub. He's FAR better than Shandon Anderson in pretty much every facet of the game in my opinion. James Posey is faster, more athletic and a few inches taller but Jim Jackson is a smarter player I think. Maybe some of that is just experience. If given the choice between Jim Jackson and James Posey for the same contract, the only reason I'd probably lean towards James Posey is he has at least four or five more good years in him. But for right now I think Jim Jackson will compliment our team much better. I think his defense is more reliable. His shot is more reliable and he's just a better all around role player.
The big thing you're missing is that when the Rockets actually become good, James Posey will still be in the league while Jackson willl be in a wheel chair.
IMHO, one of the biggest differences is that JJ has a superior low post game due to a very strong lower body. I believe I saw a quote from him that he worksout regularly. I would give JJ the nod in the post over Shandon because JJ is a better dribbler and makes better passes out if he is doubled. Well, at least he did with the Kings.
I'll believ it when I see it. Trades in the NBA are so freakin tough to make. And that's assuming the trade actually turns out good for us. What I can't stand is when people start making excuses that are bogus like it's good we gave up a first round pick because we won't have to give out a guaranteed contract. Yes it's good if youre picking 28. It's not good when you pick 14-17. It's also only good if you don't trust your scouting department to make competent draft choices. We're still 1 or 2 good role players away. I wish we could find one under 30 who can grow with Yao, Steve, and Cat in the next 3-4 years.
that's true. but i'd still rather have jim jackson for three years 7.2 million dollars and then send him off in his wheelchair then pay James Posey what Memphis did. He just isn't worth it. i'm sure there will be somebody available to replace JJ when we send him off to the old folks home.
RIET - Be very, very honest - do you really see the pick being better than 17? I surely don't. Now, you're a sharp person...of the thousands of players drafted at 17 or above, what %age had HOF careers? What %age had even noteworthy NBA careers? That "perfect" player you want to grow with Yao and Francis just isn't in a college age player.
Although JJ got a terrible rep as a locker room cancer playing in Dallas in the days of that horrendous 3J experiment (Jason, Jamal, Jimmy), I think that he brings to the table much more than Shandon or Posey. Not only does he have the veteran leadership to take this young team and mold it, I think he'll flourish under JVG. JJ has been a pretty underrated defender throughout his career. His perimeter game is above average (defiitely better than Posey's or Shandon's), but his post game sets him apart from both of these players. He's STRONG as an ox. There is, IMHO, no comparison between JJ and Shandon or even JPo. We got a good deal in signing him. I was just thinking about something: I know JVG is going to run the plays through Yao in the low post. And there will probably be MoT in the hi post or low post with him at times. However, with our new acquisition in JJ, do you think there is going to be a time with Yao in the low post and JJ posting either weakside or in the high post?
1. I believe the pick will be right around the 14-17 range. There are already 6 teams better than us in the West. There will be at least 5, possibly 6 teams with better records than us in the East just because they play an easier schedule. That means at worst we will pick around 17, 18 with a strong possibility it will be below that. Most likely 14-17. 2. Youre right. It doesn't have to be a college player but with more picks, you get more chances. Even the 2nd round picks that we gave up have value because it's more opportunity to gamble. As I said in another thread, the game is so international you can take a chance on a draft and wait and see approach. Also, Luke Ridnour was the 14th player taken last year. He probably wouldve been in the top 10 in years past. He could be a solid player. The US bred players are slipping so there's more opportunities to get a sleeper. 3. If the perfect role player isn't a college drafted player we'd better make some good trades. If you look at the championship teams in the past, the majority of them had at least 2 good role players that they drafted and developed chemistry. It's not a must but it's much easier when you take a college player and maintain 1 system and let them play within it. There's just a lot less baggage and you don't have to depend on free agency or trades.
JJ is far better than SA. JPo is younger, faster, better D but JJax is a smarter player with more O. Three years from now? There'll be more JPo's and JJax' available. Either would be a good role player. You still need some real Talent with a Capital 'T'!
You want to compare? Jim Jackson career PPG *average*: 15.5 ppg Shandon Anderson career PPG *high*: 12.3 ppg James Posey career PPG *high*: 10.8 ppg Jackson's a legit scorer, Anderson and Posey aren't.
That's a little misleading. Jackson also averages 33 minutes per game to get those points. Before Posey was traded to Houston, he was averaging 34 minutes per game. Magically he was also scoring 14.1 ppg.
Well actually he was averaging that when he was starting and was actually scoring. When his scoring went down, due to coming off the bench he was only really averageing 20 - 30 minutes a game. When he did play a lot more minutes he was higher at about 16 - 18 points a game.
That's why they call it an average. When James Posey came to the Rockets, he played less minutes and suddenly his scoring went down too. There's usually a correlation between the minutes you play and how many points you score.
Yeah...on 30% shooting! I don't hate Posey. He was one of my favorite Rockets players...but I think Jim Jackson and Eric Piatkowski and Adrian Griffin can replace him. Posey was also playing with a bunch of rookies all these years... He is talented though. Just couldn't pay him that much. I don't know why we gave up so many picks though...
On the Rockets he shot almost 44%. If the Rockets had any type of running gasme, his Fg% wouldve been higher. He's an absolute gazelle with long strides who can beat almost any SF down the floor. Anybody watching the games coul;d tell he was really improving his shooting near the end of the season. The best part about him was he liked playing here, worked hard to improve his deficiencies and never complained. He was a good teammate in his prime.
Riet i understand the concept of averages, but my point i guess i did say it clearly is that overall JJ is a lot better than Posey in my opinion based on the better shooting percentage and other assests he brings to the table. He's got a better career shooting % and 3pt %
but i don't think he was worth the money that Memphis was giving him. If he wanted to play here so much he would have tried to work a contract to fit in here.
Wasn't Posey pretty much the go-to guy on that horrible Denver team before being traded to the Rockets? Has Jackson ever been the go-to guy? He's gotten his points in a supporting role. Isn't that exactly what we need?
