How do you want a game-ending play refereed?

Please, there was barely any contact. Stop crying.

 

Where's the option for "I want it to be biased for my team"?

I didn't see any Pacers fans complaining when Imam Shumpert barely grazed George on that 3pt attempt to get the Pacers that win NY

 

Consistently.

If you're not going to blow whistles on small **** sometimes, don't call it for small **** other times.

 

Obvious whining is obvious

 

Not a good timing for this thread, dude. Everyone knows why you were upset.

But I support you point. I've always hated the "let the players decide the game" thing. If that's true, they should let the players decide the game the whole time, not just the last 5 seconds.

 

The Pacers totally choked last night. No one to blame but themselves. This is why you guys will never be able to beat the Heat without homecourt.

 

The Dallas game (2nd Houston @Dallas game...)

is a good example of why the rules are rules.

Dallas mugged both Harden and Beverly and no whistle. If you 'Let the players' decide the outcome then the advantage automatically goes to the defender...who now get to get away with fouling the shooter.

It makes no sense to start calling the game differently.

 

While it's obvious why the OP made this thread, it's still a valid question. Any sly jabs taken at him aren't fair, because as Rockets fans we have complained about refs many times in the GARM.

 

yesterday's game was a typical joey crawford game

Indiana were allowed to mug Miami in the first half, and Indiana jumped out on them, then in the second half, the decisions starting reversing, the home team comes roaring back and the game ended in controversy.

Any production directed by Joey is always great theatre.

 

There should be no difference in the fouls that occur early in the game and ones that happen later in the game. If what is called a foul in the 1st quarter is any different than what is called at the end of games, then you have an integrity problem. If you are gonna call the games tight, keep it consistent till the end of the game.

 

i voted for calls on tackles only, with an addendum. hacking on the arm also has to be called. generally, i think body contact should be called very sparingly, survival of the fittest should apply. whether it's the defender bodying up the offensive player or reggie miller shoving michael jordan out of the way to get off a game-winning 3, that stuff almost has to be let go because "calling it by the rules" just leads to a huge amount of subjectivity and controversy affecting the very end if some ticky tack call decides a game. better to just almost let them play and see what happens. if you are strong enough to overcome/initiate the contact and succeed, good for you.


however, reaching/hacking has to be called. you can overcome body contact. you can adjust your shot off of body contact. you can hold onto the ball a little better on body contact. but if someone just smacks you on the arm, there is very little that strength or skill can do to overcome that if you are dribbling or about to shoot a jumper. you basically just give the D a free pass in that instance.


the paul george play last night and collison fouling chalmers 2 years ago probably fall in a gray area. in both cases, the contact appeared fairly minor, and yet the 2 shots missed by such wide margins that it was clear that there was no reasonable way it could be overcome through strength/skill so it largely gave the D a free pass. but those are historically not called and i don't see it changing any time soon. officials don't want to hand out last second free throws if they can help it and i suspect most of the "call it like the first 47:55" people don't really want to see it either/would be wondering why they made the call.

 

Where is the allow more physical play but call the obvious fouls option?

 

They've called games like this forever. Everyone knows what to expect. It's become part of the game. If your team doesn't want to have to deal with that situation then take care of business before it comes to that, instead of choking. :grin:

 

The much more valid question than what happens in the last few seconds of a close game is something much more general, which is that the entire NBA officiating is entirely biased.

Team wise, teams that are "hard nosed" like current Pacers team or any of Van Gundy/Pat Riley teams get away with more fouls than the "finesse" teams.

On the flip side, teams that are "aggressive" get more calls even though they may be dishing out more contact on offense. Harden and Melo probably get similar contacts over the course of the game, but Harden is "aggressive" and Melo's a "jumpshooter." So of course Harden gets more calls.

Player wise, "tough, savvy veterans" get away with more contact than "youngsters who haven't earn the respect of refs." Derek Fisher can beat you up and not get a foul. Lin hit you slightly on the arm and get one.

Then you have weird stuff, like Durant's rip moves or Kevin Martin's little head fake. Or Hibbert jumping up is "verticality" and everyone else jumping up is "foul on the defender."

Of all the things I may complain about a game, end-game "getting away with ticky tacky fouls" is the last thing on my mind. Plenty of in-game fouls aren't called either. The only difference is that you don't have 20 replays of those possessions because it's not the last one.

 

I picked the first option, but obviously, there is a lot more psychology to this involved.

 

I'm glad they didn't call it not because it was a last second shot, but because it was barely any contact. George was obviously more interested in drawing the foul than making the shot, and that shouldn't be rewarded.