Assuming there'll be another one this year. Now, I'm not a big fan of Rasheed's attitude, but I do admit that he's a great talent that just needs to be harnessed. If, as some posters have indicated, JVG is a big fan of Rasheed, then he might be the coach that can find a way to keep him under control. In any event, here goes: Houston sends Mobley/Cato/Jackson/this year's #1 pick (top 3 protected) to Portland. Portland sends Rasheed/McInnis/Qyntel Woods to Houston. We slide Francis over to the SG spot, start McInnis at PG, Start Rasheed at PF, & platoon Qyntel/Piatkowski/Nachbar (until one distinguishes himself above the others) at SF. Since Rasheed can also play SF, we could shift him over & bring in Taylor at PF. Talk about frontline fire power. We'd still need to pick up a backup center. C: Yao/FA/Ford PF: Rasheed/Taylor/Weatherspoon SF: Piatkowski/Padgett/Qyntel/Nachbar SG: Francis/A.Griffin PG: McInnis/Francis/Wilks
I'm beginning to be very anti - Rasheed, after some deliberation. IF he were a 20/10 guy, I would at least think he brings it on the court, if nowhere else in his sad and bitter life. But it seems he loafs and whines on the court as much as he does off it. He may be available, but I think we should pass. I think we should aim higher, for a player with brains and composure. Give me 5 guys with 1/2 his talent and twice his brains, and I will construct a NBA killing machine. Chuck Daley knew that guys like Rodman have to be bench players. You can't count on them, because they are certain to self-destruct like a bored add kid with matches, but they can kick the game in the ass in short minutes.
McInnis and Francis hate each other, plus the chances that Rasheed would re-sign here would be very very slim if we traded Mobley. Sure, we'll end up with tons of cap space, but we'll have taken a step back and would have to add new pieces YET AGAIN. Aside from that, I don't think Portland would do it.
Sane, That is the most overrated thought that I have heard in a long time. I mean we here this rational over and over and it is just not true. Just because Rasheed and Cat are friends does not mean we would have a very slim chance of resigning him if Cat is gone. Money talks a lot louder than friendship in many cases. Besides don't you think Rasheed has a lot of friends around the league? Are you saying that if Rasheed gets traded for any of them that he would likely not re-sign with that team? Do you remember all of the talk last year about Rudy not coming back and people saying that CD would leave if Rudy left? It didn't happen. This is a business and people know it. Do you think that Cat or Steve would be less likely to re-sign now if their contract was up because Moochie is gone? I don't and they were visibly upset by it. Rasheed will most likely sign with the team that offers the most money. He may factor in things such as if he likes the City and maybe even if he likes the players he is playing with and if he thinks the organization treats people good and if they have a chance to win but I really doubt Rasheed would make his mind up just because the team traded Cat for him regardless of their friendship. Having said that, I would prefer that we traded Francis instead of Cat and Cato. I just don't see a big difference in what Cat and Steve bring to the table. Cat has a better outside shot and a better first step and plays better defense than Steve plus he seems to have adjusted to JVG's system better than Steve. I would love to have Rasheed but I would also love to keep Cato on the team as well if possible because I think he and Yao make a very good two headed monster at center.
I thought I would never see myself type this, but I don't want Mobley traded, especially for a malcontent like Wallace.
Piatowski is a Shooting Guard. THe only one that isnt flourishing under the JVG system is Steve. Its very difficult for him not to play the dribble run and gun style of Bsasketball.If anyone should be moved its him because Mobley is coming arround, I think he got the hint after the Moochie Trade .
I prefer Francis + Cato + Wheatherspoon ( or Padgett ) for Mac Innis + Wallace + Stepania Mac Innis - Wilks Mobley - Piatkowski Jackson - Griffin - Nachbar - Padgett Wallace - Taylor - Ford - Padgett Ming - Stepania At the end of the season, we have the choice with re-signing Sheed if he convince or take a strong free-agent. Stats don't lie: Francis don't fit well in our team now...
I for one would probably do the deal, but do we even have a first round pick this year, I thought we dealt it to Utah for Amechi. Also, I think Woods is finally coming along in Portland, Port's fans are really starting to like him, probalby because he can jump through the stadium, but I heard he plays horrible defense, which might not work with JVG.
I don't know now. Mobley has been all right. I ALMOST FORGOT HE SCREWED UP LAST GAME...fouled Voshon Lenard in the process of shooting a three. But...yeah that was bad. But he has been good. Cato has been good too. He is good on defense and just big man inside. Rasheed is a star..but crazy one. And he's a free agent so I'm not sure...he may just walk right? I don't really want to trade anyone at this point...well not our core guys..unless we can get Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Shaq, or Tracy McGrady, or maybe Jason Kidd...any decent star who isn't mental.. We can make some adjustments to our role players though.. It would be nice to get some more forwards who are big and can rebound and make a shot from 15 feet out. Hopefully Clarence Weatherspoon can help? I would also like to add a guy like Eric Snow, Brent Barry, or Steve Nash with Mobley, Francis, Piatkowski, and Wilks.
Respectfully disagree. It has nothing to do with them being traded for EACH OTHER. At the moment, we are one of Rasheed's favourite teams, and Cuttino is the main reason behind that. If he goes, there's still Steve, a damn good team, and a damn good coach. However, if it's about winning, there are better situations for him - the Rockets won't be any better than his former Blazers while he could send the Mavericks or Wolves directly into Lakers status. Also, the fact that he's from Philly, to me, plays a major role in how much he values relationships vs money. Again, we can argue for pages, and we won't reach a conclusion because we don't know what Rasheed Wallace, the individual, values most. But to me, he comes here if and only if he demands it - otherwise other teams can offer much prettier packages.
"(Kenny) Thomas, a former Rocket, played his first game back in Houston. "It's just like another game," Thomas said. "All that is over. It felt good to play here. I like the city of Houston and this is where my family is and where I will retire. I have two homes, in Philly and in Houston." "
I hope you're not implying that we were wrong to trade him and should get him back. Look at his NORMAL-AS-HELL numbers, despite playing in the East. In fact, his FG% is nowhere near MoT's. I can't wait for Griffin to make some noise in the East so everyone forgets the whole KT situation. I guarantee MoT could average 7+ rebounds playing with Iverson and Glen Robinson. The difference is, MoT is a big time scorer with range on hsi jumper. KT just think he's damned good when in fact he's just too small to start.
I have a trade to suggest, but didn't want to open a brand new thread about it, but here it goes... I'd especially like to know what GATER and Hottodie's thoughts on the subject are, but would love to hear everyone else's opinion too: Houston Kelvin Cato + Maurice Taylor + Bostjan Nachbar + CHI obligation for Micheal Bradley, MoPete, Alvin Williams, Antonio Daniels, and Seattle's choice of one of their C's Toronto Micheal Bradley + MoPete + Alvin Williams for Bostjan Nachbar + Kelvin Cato + CHI obligation Seattle Antonio Daniels + Their choice of one of their C's for Maurice Taylor Key Points: - Consider the value of letting Seattle choose which C to trade. - CHI obligation is 2 scond rounders or a first rounder this coming year. - We'd have to cut Alton Ford and Mike Wilks for roster space. - Financially, we'd be in good shape. Cato and MoT are gone in exchange for Alvin Williams, who's almost overpriced, but not quite. Seattle's C's have better deals than Cato or MoT, but admittedly aren't quite as good. - Alvin Williams and Antonio Daniels can play either G spot, but have superb asst/to ratios throughout their careers. Both have great experience, and will serve as PG's. - Micheal Bradley is an AMAZING rebounder, although he hasn't panned out really well. Can't imagine his offense is worse than Cato's, is a similar rebounder, great size, not as good a man-to-man defender or shotblocker. Yao/one of Seattle's C's Weatherspoon/Bradley/Seattle C, as long as its not James JJ/MoPete/Pike Mobley/Francis Francis/Alvin/Daniels Booth/Potapenko >> I'm guessing MoT/Radomanovic/Evans Lewis/Radomanovic Ray Allen/Ronald Murray Brent Barry/Luke Ridnour Bosh/Cato Marshall/Cato/Lonny Baxter Michael Curry/Lamond Murray/Boki Vince Carter/Roger Mason Jalen Rose/Roger Mason * Would gladly swap Mobley with Donyell Marshall at this point (I think it's not allowed though).
Points to keep in mind - We do NOT have next years #1 and we do NOT have the CHI obligation. Both were traded with Rice to get Amaechi. We do have Sacs 2nd rounder though!
No way would I make this trade, this is crazy. And what has McGinnis done to be the starting PG? I would rather have Mobley and Jackson starting then McGinnis and Pike. Rasheed would be nice but not at the expense of gutting the team.
