From: http://pistons-rivals.com/default.asp?sid=613&p=12&stid=8141503 You can count on one thing with Joe Dumars, he is not going to rule out any possibilities when it comes to this years draft. The Houston Rockets are looking to move up, The Pistons are looking to move down. Can a marriage be in place, or is Vancouver trying to ruin the party? Joe Dumars has expressed on numerous occasion that he would not mind trading down in the draft. Meanwhile, The Vancouver Grizzlies are working feverously to acquire the 18th pick in the draft. Though complex Dumars can rule out all possibilities of Vancouver acquiring this years 18th pick if they trade the 9th pick in the draft for Houstons #13 pick and the rights of the pick Phoenix owes Houston which is the 18th pick. Houston has expressed an interest to move up in the draft and would love to package the 13th and 18th pick to move up.
could we then trade the 9th and 22cd pick and cato for the bulls 4th pick ------------------ In Tina, Janeth, Amaya and Amanda, i still believe! Mr. 4play has spoken.
That article makes an excellent point. Is the talent difference between the #9 and #13 that significant? I would love to do this deal if it means getting Shane Battier though. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
This guy isn't exactly the most accurate around. Detroit does not want to trade down in the draft and has said so. The only thing that makes this possible is that it allows Detroit to screw Vancouver and possibly get a decent lottery pick out of them (via the convoluted pick trade that has been reported in a lot of places). Detroit is looking for the same thing the Rockets are out of this draft SF's and C's. ------------------
One problem that hurts his credibility is he doesn't even know what's going on. Phoenix doesn't owe Houston; Phoenix owes Orlando and Orlando owes Houston. The other problem is that stealing the pick from Vancouver won't screw them over. Any pick 18 and under can be sent, so Van can still do a trade with Golden State, Orlando, Charlotte, Toronto, whomever, to get their pick to send on. Is Detroit going to buy up all the #1s around? I don't know if moving up to 9 will be very helpful in this draft. But if Detroit wanted to do it, that's be fine; CD and RT don't want so many #1s anyway. In any case, I think the Rockets are in a pretty good position. Everyone would like to buy that #18 from us, so only good things can come of it. Right? ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
I agree JV. I think CD & Rudy wants to be 7 or above (1 to 6). If 9 is the best we can do, I would say don't do the trade and take our chances with our picks or use the picks to trade for a veteran. Just curious JV, who would you like to be our first pick, be it at 13 or above? ------------------ Congratulations Bill!!!! Willoughby gets college degree Willoughby graduation video (At the bottom of page) [This message has been edited by MoonBus (edited May 24, 2001).]
Moonbus, don't ask my opinion; I don't know squat! I'm following the crowd in hoping for Richard Jefferson at 13 and a big man like Ken Johnson or whoever with the 22. There are so many big men, I can't tell them apart. But, I can pretty much guarantee that Rudy will take someone no one thinks he'll take or wants him to take. So, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
My mind is just swimming with the possiblities this year, but I do think that if the Rockets can get #18 they will sent it to Van. Vancover is dieing to get rid of debt they owe to Detroit, do to get that pick Van. will no doubt give us something to get that pick. Plus at 13 there should be player we want. But I would love to move down. ------------------
OK,... if VAN wants #18, assuming the Rocks get it, the Rocks should ask for the #6 & the future 1st round obligation via the Francis trade in return for #13 & #18. That benefits both teams, the Rocks move up and repay a debt, VAN\MEM has a pick to sacrifice to DET and still keeps a lotto pick. ------------------
I do think the Rockets will want to unload two for one if they can move up. IMO, there is a talent difference between 13 and 9. Because so many high school players are expected to go in the top 5, it will push some real talent into 5-10. At 13, there are no guarantees of getting one of the small forwards we want. Also, unloading a pick leaves us cap space we really need. A 13/22 for 9 is a fair swap and would put the Rockets in position to easily get Jefferson if he is their guy or go after someone they consider even more valuable - Joe Johnson, Rodney White??? ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
I guess move up if you can. But if RJ is the guy Rudy wants (not sure) and is available at #13, why move up. Now, if Chandler were to slide, and be available at 9..... ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you."
Why would we trade a 13 and 18 for the 9th pick when we traded a 9 for a 15 and a 22? Look, if Detroit wants the 18th pick they better sweeten the deal. I would rather give the 18th pick to Vancouver to clear our date than to help Detroit improve their position next year. After all, Vancouver gave us Steve and I tend to like that franchise for it. I do not see that much difference between 13 an 9. But if they take Cato we will give them 18 and 13 for their 9. We will take Wallace off of their hands. ------------------ Fuggetabout it
bigboymumu: It depends on what you can get at the #9... the numbers themselves don't mean much. Last year, there was nothing availabe at #9 that Houston thought they couldn't get at #15. This year, that may be different, and if it is, then the trade makes sense. It isn't like htere's a steady exchange rate for draft picks... ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
To all, The reason the Grizz want our pick is that we owe them a pick between now & 2003. Further, Detroit owes us THEIR #1 pick, not one acquired by trade. We are in the driver's seat here. This is specifically why CD has not demanded the pick owed to us by Orlando. If we get it this year...great. If not we have it next year to or the Year after. In the mean time, Vancouver must give Detroit a #1 this year or next. This translates into a major problem for Vancouver next year because barring THE #1 pick overall, they must forward their pick to Detroit. As an aside, do not forget that Chicago also owes us two second round picks from the Drew deal. We owe litle, but are owed quite a bit..... 2 - #1s 2 - #2s Draftwise, Cd has put us in great shape for the next 3 - 4 years. Our biggest albatros is, of course, Cato. Presently, he is our cap killer. I would gladly give up a #2 and Cato for a one year washout just to clear the room for next year. Speaking next year, the draft looks to be pretty thin. I hope CD & RT are looking to the future and position us this year for one of the higher picks next year. The biggest disater would be to receive all our picks owed next year .... lots of picks with little talent to draft. Ohhh Nooo !!!!! Gone like Carmen Electra's virtue.... ROCKET!!! ------------------
I don't see a reason for Rudy to move up in this draft unless he plans to change his drafting strategy. He consistently drafts 4 year seniors with outside shooting. Rhodes is his lone exception lately. Of this year's top 13 talents 10 or 11 are underclassmen. Thus I think he would pick the same person at 9 that he would at 13 or even 18. Look at Collier last year. He probably would have been available in the second round.
Jeff, i agree with u. many mock drafts have joe johnson goin at 9 to detroit. if we can trade 13 and 18 for 9, we might get our hands on him. that is if rudy wants to go for a small forward... ------------------ Howdy Partner!
Haven- You are right. I agree with you. We did not feel that 9 was much different from 15. At the same time, in my opinion there is little difference between 9 and 13 this year. For us to give up the 18th pick we must get more than the opportunity to move 4 spots. We need a top six pick. Anything worse than that must be part of a bigger deal. Lets think about the Pistons pick. 10 Boston 11 Boston 12 Seattle Neither of these teams are looking for a small forward. So if we are going to get a small forward it really does not pay to trade for the 9th pick. ------------------ Fuggetabout it
The Cavaliers are looking for a small forward though, so it would be wise to at least try and acquire the 7th pick or better if the Rockets have their eye on a specific player. ------------------
Why would we trade two picks for #9 (Joe Johnson)when we can get essentially the same thing at #18 (Richard Jefferson). With #13 & #18 we are looking at someone like Bradley and Jefferson. Now, if we could trade up to somewhere in the top 4 and pull down a Griffin, Curry or Brown then I would think the swap worth while. The more I think about it, however, I am liking the idea of holding all the picks and going after Bradley, Jefferson and K. Johnson. This would prove an incredible draft and would provide quality depth at several positions that we currently lack. It would also allow us to trade deadwood for one year wonders (i.e. nothing in return, but salary relief). Thoughts?????? Out! ROCKET!!! ------------------
