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Houston Rockets "Unprotected Players" Expansion List

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Jun 14, 2004.

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  1. xiki

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    http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/8917532.htm?

    Expansion List


    Players confirmed to be available to the Charlotte Bobcats in the expansion draft:

    ATLANTA: Alan Henderson, F-C, 6-9, 31.

    BOSTON: Chucky Atkins, G, 5-11, 29; Ernest Brown*, C, 7-0, 25; Brandon Hunter, F, 6-7, 23; Jumaine Jones, F, 6-8, 25; Michael Stewart, F, 6-10, 29.

    CHICAGO: Antonio Davis, C-F, 6-9, 35; Ronald Dupree*, F, 6-7, 23; Marcus Fizer*, F, 6-8, 25; Scottie Pippen, F-G, 6-8, 38; Eddie Robinson, F, 6-9, 28; Jerome Williams, F-C, 6-9, 31.

    CLEVELAND: Ruben Boumtje Boumtje*, C, 7-0, 26; Jason Kapono, F, 6-8, 23; Ira Newble, F, 6-7, 29; Kevin Ollie, G, 6-2, 31.

    DALLAS: Tariq Abdul-Wahad, F-G, 6-6, 29; Tony Delk, G, 6-2, 30; Danny Fortson, C-F, 6-8, 28; Antoine Walker, F, 6-9, 27.

    DENVER: Jeff Trepagnier*, G, 6-4, 24.

    GOLDEN STATE: J.R. Bremer*, G, 6-2, 23; Evan Eschmeyer, C, 6-11, 29; Popeye Jones, F, 6-8, 33.

    HOUSTON: Adrian Griffin, G-F, 6-5, 29; Eric Piatkowski, G-F, 6-7, 33; Maurice Taylor, F, 6-9, 27.

    L.A. CLIPPERS: Matt Barnes*, F, 6-7, 24; Keyon Dooling* G, 6-3, 24; Predrag Drobnjak, C, 6-11, 28; Eddie House, G, 6-1, 26; Josh Moore*, C, 7-2, 23.

    MEMPHIS: Troy Bell, G, 6-1, 23; Ryan Humphrey, F, 6-8, 24; Dahntay Jones, G-F, 6-6, 23; Bo Outlaw, F, 6-8, 23; Theron Smith, F, 6-8, 23; Jake Tsakalidis*, C, 7-2, 25; Lorenzen Wright, C, 6-11, 27.

    MIAMI: Brian Grant, C-F, 6-9, 32; Eddie Jones, G, 6-6, 32; Loren Woods* C, 7-2, 25.

    MILWAUKEE: Brian Skinner, C-F, 6-9, 28; Erick Strickland G, 6-3, 30.

    NEW YORK: Shandon Anderson, G-F, 6-6, 30; Penny Hardaway, G-F, 6-7, 32; Allan Houston, G, 6-6, 33; Moochie Norris, G, 6-2, 30; Cezary Trybanski C, 7-2, 24.

    PHOENIX: Howard Eisley, G, 6-2, 31; Jahidi White, C-F, 6-9, 28.

    PORTLAND: Omar Cook, G, 6-1, 22; Dan Dickau, G, 6-0, 25; Desmond Ferguson*, F, 6-7, 26; Eddie Gill, G, 6-0, 25; Ruben Patterson, F-G, 6-5, 28; Vladimir Stepania, C, 7-1, 28; Qyntel Woods, F, 6-8, 23.

    SACRAMENTO: Gerald Wallace, F, 6-7, 21.

    SEATTLE: Calvin Booth, C, 6-11, 28; Jerome James, C, 7-1, 28; Richie Frahm*, G, 6-5, 26; Vitaly Potapenko C-F, 6-10, 29.

    UTAH: Curtis Borchardt, C, 7-0, 23; Aleksandar Pavlovic, F, 6-7, 20.

    * Restricted free agent. If the Bobcats draft a restricted free agent, he immediately becomes an unrestricted free agent and his contract does not count against the Bobcats' salary cap. The team that loses that player is not allowed to re-sign him.
     
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  2. xiki

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    Looking thru that list, I would imagine these guys might become Bobs (Delk, Drobniak, and Pike are there as trade bait):

    Jason Kapono, F, 6-8, 23

    Tony Delk, G, 6-2, 30

    Eric Piatkowski, G-F, 6-7, 33

    Predrag Drobnjak, C, 6-11, 28

    Ryan Humphrey, F, 6-8, 24 or Dahntay Jones, G-F, 6-6, 23

    Brian Skinner, C-F, 6-9, 28

    Cezary Trybanski C, 7-2, 24

    Dan Dickau, G, 6-0, 25

    Gerald Wallace, F, 6-7, 21

    Curtis Borchardt, C, 7-0, 23
     
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  3. NJRocket

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    Is there any way to leave Hidalgo unprotected?
     
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    On a more serious note...

    Is there a rule prohibiting us from doing a deal with Charlotte that includes an expansion pick? (I.e. trade them player x and tell them to draft Eddie Jones and we will take him)?
     
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  5. xiki

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    No, and that's being talked about by Bobs with many teams, I have heard.
     
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    Besides the fact that you can only take 1 player from each team and you may want some other player from team X, is there any reason not to draft all available RFAs? Do RFAs have a cap-hold on the Bobcats like they would with any other team that held their rights? If not, I'd take all the RFAs for potential S&Ts. And, if you can't work out a S&T you like and you can't sign him to a worthwhile contract, you just let the guy walk. That seems like a very valuable asset.
     
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    Good points JV, I was thinking the exact same thing.
     
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    Since they become UNrestricted FAs do they have SnT rights with the Bobs?
     
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    Wow, Charlotte is going to struggle to win 15 games. Those theoretical teams look pretty awful even factoring in a #4 pick. I wouldn't even consider them a deep team. Just crappy deep. Looks like we'll have the new Clippers to play against for 2 wins a year.

    If Portland leaves open Qyntel Woods, they'll take him. Dude at least has upside.
     
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  10. smoothie

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    i think we must go after lorenzen wright with our TE via the cats.


    check his stats...he would be a gret fit at PF. and he has a solid J out to 18ft.
     
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    Over Dickau? Even after owner Johnson has repeatedly said he didn't want trouble, like Q's weed problems?
     
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    That's why I see the Rockets needing to protect Wilks if they want him on the roster next year, even as a 3rd string PG. They have to use 14 picks, and they certainly don't want to pick up a bunch of expensive vets; by choosing RFAs, they use those picks without actually having to spend any money if they let the players walk. If there were 14 RFAs out there, they could pick them all up, renounce them all, and basically have a 100% clean cap. Charlotte has said they don't really want to take over priced vets, so IMO, teams like Miami who put up overpriced vets and an RFA are very much at risk of losing that RFA- not that losing Loren Woods is the end of the world.

    If Charlotte picks a restricted free agent, he would count against the cap just like an unrenounced unrestricted free agent until renounced or signed.

    Here's the flaw in your thinking, though- what RFA that's going to be left exposed would yield anything in a S/T? The best of the list seems to be Fizer and Dooling- teams would just use a part of the MLE for those types. Plus, a sign and trade would more than likely require Charlotte to take back (unwanted?) salary.

    xiki- They can always sign and trade their own free agents. They usually won't have full bird rights on these restricted free agents, but they'll likely be under the cap so that it wouldn't matter.

    There are a number of backup PG options on this list, like Dickau, Atkins, Ollie, Bell, Strickland, and Delk. The trade exception presents an interesting opportunity for Charlotte to essentially draft one of these guys for Houston, without paying the guy a dime. Would you trade a future 2nd rounder for any of those guys?
     
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    Not if I have to pay their contracts. I like Atkins, Ollie, and even Delk -- but not for much dinero. Dickau? I really haven't seen him on an NBA court.
     
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    Question about the TE and Expansion draft. If pike gets picked in the expansion draft, he most likely will, then we would get a trade exception of his value. Could that be combined with our already existing TE in one trade?
     
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    With all this talk about what is allowed and not allowed in this expansion draft, I was wondering about this:

    I saw that Derek Fisher showed up on Chad Ford's estimated Exp Draft List. If Charlotte selected him, could we then work a trade with Charlotte for him? If we still have Steve, then Fisher wouldn't make a whole lot of sense other than for a backup PG, but if we landed TMac, then Fisher could start for us and be a solid contributor.

    Even if Charlotte didn't select him, we could still sign him to an offer sheet and hope that LA wouldn't match. He is just a RFA, right?

    Fisher seems like a JVG type player, especially his great skills on D.
     
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    Fisher being there surprised me, frankly. I always had understood him to be tight with Shaq.

    Sure we could get him. But is he worth the coin?

    Same article referenced Wiz and Stack and the #5. If TMac were out of consideration, would Stack and the #5 (and Laettner) be worth the TE and Spoon. Gives lots of relief to Wiz, helps our cap after next season, gets a young guy to develop + Stack can still ball in the right system.
     
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    ESPN Insider: Houston Rockets Expansion List

    Hey guys!!

    According to ESPN Insider-these are the Rox players that were left unprotected in the Expansion Draft

    Adrian Griffin

    Eric Piatkowski

    Maurice Taylor

    It said that no one will touch Maurice Taylor because of his contract , but the Bobcats may take a chance with
    Piatkowski for his great shooting, and veteran influence.
    It didn't say anything about Adrian Griffin.
     
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    This article was just Chad Ford's speculation as to what the list would be, not the real list.

    Derek Fisher showed up on the list, which pricked my interest...
     
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    those 3 are on the list. Look in the mike wilks protected thread and it shows whos avaliable.
     
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    as in unprotected
     
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