So Houston is taking Miami's 2nd round pick. That makes things interesting because I think that pick has some real value in this draft. I say we don't wait for someone to fall in our lap at 15. I think we use 15 and 37 to move up in the 1st round, and throw in a multimillion dollar bench warmer if the opportunity presents itself. I just wonder how far we could move up with 15 & 37. Top 10? 12 or 13? I don't think we need to add anymore mediocre millionaires. Ditch the 2nd round pick and get a real player after Ming. Maybe we snap Q. Woods and give him a year to develop behind Rice, Griffin and Morris. Maybe he could back up Mobley at the two also? Just throwin it our there. What ya'll think?
We need to Unload some of our contracts. We could use a 15, 37, KT for about the 8th. The Clippers would more than likely do that because they would get the PG they want in Welsch at 15 plus they would get KT and 37. Then they would be able to move Odom. With the 8 I think we should seriously look at Hilario. He could eventually play any position in the froncourt, and is probably still growing. He could wind up being a 7'0" C/PF/SF who could possibly wind up being better than Ming!
I think we would be lucky to move up to 14. I mean would you trade our 15 for number 16 and a mid second rounder? And we have had more success with second rounders than most.
The 37th isn't a 'mid second rounder,' it's a high second rounder. Still, you're right that we'd be lucky to move one space with it.
The Clippers have 2 second round picks and 2 first round picks as it is. Do you think they want to keep 2 1sts, add a 2nd, and another player? Not really. They do have Dooling and Jaric at point, assumnig they do not keep McInnis. Even then, they can grab a PG in the 2nd round should they so desire. And I see Hilario as more of a Ben Wallace type, a defensive star who can't do much on the offensive end. Doubtful that he's better than Ming.
And Doc Rocket told us, for reasons he can't divulge, that KT won't be traded. Of course this could mean a trade of one of our other power forward/centers along with the #15, but that's just more speculation, going nowhere.
You're kidding, right? Move up in the first round with our 37th pick? Second rounders aren't considered draft picks. It's an opportunity for Carol Dawson's 15 year old nephew to get some managing experience while CD and Rudy go celebrate their drafting of Yao Ming.
I'm feeling a lot of negative condescending vibes responding to my thread. Consider this, say you're a team looking at PG and you're picking somewhere between 9 and 14. J. Williams and Wagner are long gone and you're not prepared to reach for Welsch or F. Williams. Why not trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder and/or Mo Taylor or other. Or say you have your heart set on a center but Borchardt goes way earlier than you expected. Do you seriously reach for a Jennings or Sampson, projected late first rounders at best? PG and C are very weak and quite a few teams need them. They're available early and late but the middle of the first there isn't much there. I think one of those teams may be willing to take some of our junk to not overpay for a somewhat mediocre player. Besides I'm doing some wishful thinking here. Humor me!
<b>Maninthebox</b>: This is a rough crowd. Sometimes you just have to ignore them! I follow your reasoning and find your idea plausible; I don't know that Miami would do that, but we all know that Pat Riley has no patience for rookies.... so maybe he would. It certainly doesn't hurt to ask. I hope you are humored now.
the 9th pick in the 2nd round will not bump you up 4-5 spots in the lotto if you include it in trade by itself. This isn't the NFL. Most players taken in the 2nd round don't end up on a team.
There is a similar thread in the Rockets board so I thought I would post my comments in this thread as well. I just don't see the Rockets selecting 3 players in the NBA Draft this year. Here are the options I see for the 2nd round pick. 1) They could trade their 2nd round pick (and their 2nd rounder next year) to a team they think will be crappy next year in hopes of getting a HIGH 2nd round pick next year. The Rockets did this a few years back when they had the 1st pick in the 2nd round and drafted Othella Harrington. I actually think they traded down for that selection but you get what I am saying. The Rockets won't have a 1st round pick next year (Grizzly obilgation) so a HIGH second round pick would be nice. Plus the contact would be very low. 2) They could draft a foreign player with potential in which they don't expect them to be on the team this year. They could spend a season or two overseas developing their game in hopes that when a roster spot opens up on the Rockets they will be ready to contribute. Last year we added Griffin and Morris to the team. This year we will add Ming and the #15 pick. I don't see us having much more room for more rookies. Francis, Moochie Mobley, Torres Rice, Morris, #15pick Taylor, Thomas, Griffin Cato, Ming That's 12 players right there. Suppose on IR we keep Collier and Brown. That about fills it up. I just don't see anyone (unless someone good SOMEHOW drops) that would make any real difference on the team. It just seems like the better move to build the franchise would be to do 1 of the options I listed above. Chris
I think the clippers would be a good team to deal with. They're basically set at the 2,3 & 4 spots (and 5 if they keep Olawakandi). This is a good draft for 3s and 4s. It's also what's going to be available to them at 8 and 12. Borchardt's probably available at 8 and maybe even 12, but what PG will be available worth picking there? I think Frank Williams is a bit of a reach at 12. I don't see the clippers holding on to both of those picks without unloading one of their forwards. Either way the Rocks could benefit from dealing with them. Seems like Baylor hasn't made the shrewdest moves in the past. Perhaps the Rocks could take advantage of him being in a strange position. Barring a trade I see the draft going down something like this: http://www.clutchcity.net/mockdraft.cfm?xMockID=2542 But I really see the Rockets making a move.
The Clippers have a European PG they drafted last year (name escaptes me) that they are really high on. I think they are going to hang their hat on him. They probably will move one of their picks but talk is they are talking to Portland who will give the Clippers cash (appealing to them since their owner is cheap) and a scrub player for #12. Great deal for Portland, not so great for the Clippers except it helps give them money to bring that European PG over to the US which is what they want. Chris
Deuce-Marko Jaric, a 6'7'' PG is whom you're thinking of. I think Randolph is a good part of this deal for the Clips as well-The backup 4/5 for the Clippers last year was Sean Rooks. Randolph has a lot more talent than Sean Rooks.
