Fritz Hollings is backing Kerry. Latest numbers: Kerry 30 Dean 25 Clark 18 Edwards 11 These numbers from CNN. They didn't mention Lieberman's numbers. He's so gone after NH.
New Hampshire, but they didn't say how many days the poll represented. I'm guessing it was a three day -- I don't think Dean would still be that high in a one day. Saw it on Inside Politics. Main point of interest for me was Edwards moving slightly up and Clark slightly down. Hollings for Kerry's not great for Edwards in SC, but I still think he'll win there.
I'm guessing these are NH. At least I hope. Edwards gaining two points since last night. If he can get to 15-18, that'd be great.
Here's a national two-day poll... and the ARG NH Poll for today shows Kerry/29 Clark/21 Dean/17 Edwards/10 Undecided/15
Oh, don't be too hard on T_J. After all, until he gets directions to the contrary, he's just telling us what he's been told to think.
Your nerve is amazing, Jorge. Where are you on the merits? You have been shamed repeatedly in the last few days and you just keep pretending it didn't happen. The difference between us (and the thoughtful conservatives on the board) and you is that we are committed to a cause, not a candidate. Just like your idol Rush, all you can manage is personality assassination and superficial digs. Why shouldn't I be for Kerry or Edwards or Clark having been for Dean before? Dean woke them up and taught them it was imperative this time around to fight for the people and the future of this country. My major beef with establishment Democrats is that they've been p*****s. They're not anymore and I'm glad of it.
So is it McCain this week, Republicans? Yeah! McCain! (until George W. Bush and Karl Rove and their hit squad start spreading rumors about you that you are deranged from having been a POW in Vietnam while President AWOL was doing lines back in Texas)
Well Batman, you sure have been a sour-puss of late! Turn that frown upside down! Dean's toast and you aren't happy about voting for someone who voted for the war (Kerry and Edwards), nor are you happy about electing a Taxachusetts liberal with no chance in the General (Kerry), or a Southern gent who was previously in favor of privatizing social security (as Edwards was before he had to court nation-wide votes). NURSE, GET ME THE BONE SAW YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRHHHHHHH
Gasp! You mean, a politician may have flip-flopped on an issue? One time in five years? I'm going to go to a corner now and weep uncontrollably. Of course, I doubt voters will rank Edwards' "flip" above Bush's regarding nation-building, but I could be wrong.
I don't know how I keep forgetting that Jorge doesn't actually care about anything he posts here, that he's engaged in the high art of "psychological warfare" (on a basketball BBS... LOL) and not in actually making a point or participating in a dialogue or debate. In keeping with the cartoon character persona, it's perfectly reasonable that whenever he gets stomped he just pretends it didn't happen and moves on to another exercise in self-parody. I don't have the slightest qualms about supporting Kerry or Edwards (or Clark or Dean or Gephardt if he was still in it or Lieberman or Poppy Bush or Reagan or Nixon) when the other option is the worst president of the last century. And I'm really not sour about anything. I'm in beautiful Albuquerque, surrounded by mountains, big sky and clean air, watching Inside Politics and revelling in the embarassment of riches that is the Democratic field.
Albuquerque is pretty nice, isn't it? "I don't have the slightest qualms about supporting Kerry or Edwards (or Clark or Dean or Gephardt if he was still in it or Lieberman or Poppy Bush or Reagan or Nixon) when the other option is the worst president of the last century." -Batman Jones Sorry, just had to repeat that. It was a pleasure to read and sadly on target.
don't forget about Bush/Rove's nice lil stunt in South Carolina where the week before their primary Rover arranged a nice lil telephone campagn "Would your opinon of Senator McClain change if you learned that he fathered a black illegitimate child?"
Note: I have no idea the political bias of this site. I simply did a Google search of Rove McCain Illegitimate and it came up with a quite a few pages of results. http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/17006/104959 John McCain: Renegade Republican Author: John Rutherford The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln and at its core, believes in limited government and personal responsibility. Senator John McCain is a Republican by principle, but is often at odds with the leadership of his party, including President Bush. McCain has diverged from his party on campaign finance reform, tobacco, Bush's tax cut, drilling in ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska), patients' bill of rights, prescription drugs, airport security, the Kyoto Treaty, emission standards, gun control and the list continues. He is against his party more than he is with it. McCain calls himself a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. He is unabashed and unbought. Roosevelt was a conservationist who believed in the greatness of America, and he believed in a very strong role for the federal government in some areas. Democrats have courted McCain and members of his own party question his loyalties. But John McCain is no Jim Jeffords. Jeffords, a moderate Vermont Republican, became an independent after stark differences with Republican leadership led to his basically being ignored by the party. McCain is much more loyal to his party. Actually he is more loyal to his party than his party is to him. McCain gave his party fits when he ran for president in 2000, challenging the GOP anointed George W. Bush. He took his “straight talk express” through the primary states, racking up some wins and delivering punches to Prince George, until he was molested by his party in South Carolina. Bush’s campaign strategists, including Karl Rove, devised a push poll designed to degrade the character of the senator in the minds of the voters. Voters all across South Carolina were called and asked the question, “Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” A push poll by its nature is designed to plant a seed in the minds of those participating and its end result percentages are really just beside the point. The seed was planted and then there was John McCain campaigning all over South Carolina with his beautiful wife and their little adopted Bangladeshi daughter. The site of the little dark skinned girl made the seed planted earlier grow and John McCain lost South Carolina to Bush which basically ended his bid for the White House. Not only was the push poll against McCain dirty, it was also racist. Questioning whether or not McCain had fathered an illegitimate child was bad enough, but to say a black child is asserting that is somehow worse. McCain was defeated by dirty politics, but being loyal to his party, he begrudgingly endorsed Bush. He has supported the Bush Administration with most of the war on terror and the war in Iraq, but little else. He is now attacking the Republican leadership and the Bush Administration for excessive spending as the Congress recessed for the year after the massive overhaul of Medicare. The program now includes a limited prescription drug benefit, but gives billions of dollars to the pharmaceutical industry. McCain is pointing to the pharmaceutical company stock prices as they are now surging as a result of the give away. He also opposed the $31 billion national energy bill, which was originally $8 billion, still pending until at least next year, much of which would fund industry tax breaks. The bill includes no policy initiatives, only pork and more pork, and the Bush Administration is calling it a priority. McCain blames President Bush as much as he does the Congress for this year’s spending level. Bush has never vetoed a spending bill and we are creating a significant burden of debt for future generations of Americans. We cannot have this level of debt and increasing deficits without affecting interest rates and inflation. John McCain gets attacked by his own party for doing something they simply cannot stand within their ranks, and that is thinking for himself. Republican or not, John McCain is one of the most principled common sense politicians in Washington. As a senator, McCain represents the people of Arizona first and the Republicans second. His record of almost 20 years in Congress shows that he is a right-of-center conservative, just not a hard line follower of the ultra conservative Republican leadership. Teddy Roosevelt would be proud.
Before we go digging up ancient history, which of the fake push polls have you heard of? The only thing I'm surprised at is how soft the press was on all the lying the Bushies did about their track record during the primaries and the 2000 election.
thanks for the link RM95 I won't post this entire article, but it is worth a read http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-houston/2002-December/004984.html Why Are These Men Laughing? Ron Suskind Esquire, January 2003 ...... As for the Waterloo of South Carolina, most of the facts are well-known, and among this group of Republicans, what happened has taken on the air of an unsolved crime, a cold case, with Karl Rove being the prime suspect. Bush loyalists, maybe working for the campaign, maybe just representing its interests, claimed in parking-lot handouts and telephone "push polls" and whisper campaigns that McCain’s wife, Cindy, was a drug addict, that McCain might be mentally unstable from his captivity in Vietnam, and that the senator had fathered a black child with a prostitute. Callers push-polled members of a South Carolina right-to-life organization and other groups, asking if the black baby might influence their vote. Now here’s the twist, the part that drives McCain admirers insane to this very day: That last rumor took seed because the McCains had done an especially admirable thing. Years back they’d adopted a baby from a Mother Teresa orphanage in Bangladesh. Bridget, now eleven years old, waved along with the rest of the McCain brood from stages across the state, a dark-skinned child inadvertently providing a photo op for slander. The attacks were of a level and vitriol that even McCain, who was regularly beaten in captivity, could not ignore. He began to answer the slights, strayed off message about how he would lead the nation if he got the chance, and lost the war for South Carolina. Bush emerged from the showdown upright and victorious . . . and onward he marched.
