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Historic North Korea/South Korea Meeting - Trump Peace Prize?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Apr 30, 2018.

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  1. Rocketman1981

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    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2018-04-30-10-03-53


    South Korean leader says Trump 'can take the Nobel'

    By HYUNG-JIN KIM
    Associated Press


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    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- South Korean President Moon Jae-in has shaken off a suggestion that he receive the Nobel Peace Prize, saying that U.S. President Donald Trump "can take the Nobel prize" as long as the Koreas receive peace in return.

    Moon made the comment Monday in response to a suggestion that he receive the award by the widow of late South Korean President Kim Dae-jung, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 after a summit with then North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.

    Moon held a summit with current leader Kim Jong Un last week in which Moon and Kim, the son of Kim Jong Il, walked together across the tense border and agreed to a raft of initiatives meant to ease animosity. Moon responded to the suggestion of Nobel glory by saying, "President Trump can take the Nobel prize. The only thing we need is peace," according to the South's presidential office.

    South Korea also said Monday that it will remove propaganda-broadcasting loudspeakers from the border with North Korea this week as the rivals move to follow through with their leaders' summit declaration that produced reconciliation steps without a breakthrough in the nuclear standoff.

    During their historic meeting Friday at a Korean border village, Kim and Moon agreed to end hostile acts against each other along their tense border, establish a liaison office and resume reunions of separated families. They also agreed to achieve a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, but failed to produce specific time frames and disarmament steps.

    Seoul's Defense Ministry said it would pull back dozens of its front-line loudspeakers on Tuesday before media cameras. Ministry spokeswoman Choi Hyunsoo said Seoul expected North Korea to do the same.

    South Korea had already turned off its loudspeakers ahead of Friday's summit talks, and North Korea responded by halting its own broadcasts.

    The two Koreas had been engaged in Cold War-era psychological warfare since the North's fourth nuclear test in early 2016. Seoul began blaring anti-North Korean broadcasts and K-Pop songs via border loudspeakers, and North Korea quickly matched the action with its own border broadcasts and launches of balloons carrying anti-South leaflets.

    Seoul's announcement came a day after it said Kim told Moon during the summit that he would shut down his country's only known nuclear testing site and allow outside experts and journalists to watch the process.

    South Korean officials also cited Kim as saying he would be willing to give up his nuclear programs if the United States commits to a formal end to the Korean War and a pledge not to attack the North. Kim had already suspended his nuclear and missile tests while offering to put his nuclear weapons up for negotiations.

    The closing of the Punggy-ri test site, where all six of North Korea's atomic bomb tests occurred, could be an eye-catching disarmament step by North Korea. But there is still deep skepticism over whether Kim is truly willing to negotiate away the nuclear weapons that his country has built after decades of struggle.

    According to a summit accord, Kim and Moon agreed to achieve "a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula through complete denuclearization," rather than clearly stating "a nuclear-free North Korea." North Korea has long said the term "denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" must include the United States pulling its 28,500 troops out of South Korea and removing its so-called "nuclear umbrella" security commitment to South Korea and Japan.

    Kim could offer more disarmament concessions during his meeting with Trump, expected in May or June, but it's unclear what specific steps he would take. Some experts say Kim may announce scraping North Korea's long-range missile program, which has posed a direct threat to the United States.

    U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton reacted coolly to word that Kim would abandon his weapons if the United States pledged not to invade.

    Asked on CBS's "Face the Nation" whether the U.S. would make such a promise, Bolton said: "Well, we've heard this before. This is - the North Korean propaganda playbook is an infinitely rich resource. What we want to see from them is evidence that it's real and not just rhetoric."

    Kim's meeting with Moon was his second summit with a foreign leader since he took office in late 2011. In March, he traveled to Beijing and met with Chinese President Xi Jinping. While meeting with Xi, Kim suggested he prefers a step-by-step disarmament process in line with corresponding outside rewards, according to Chinese state media. U.S. officials want the North to take complete, verifiable and irreversible disarmament measures.

    China said Monday that its foreign minister, Wang Yi, will visit Pyongyang, North Korea's capital, on Wednesday and Thursday.

    China is North Korea's only major economic partner, but trade has declined by about 90 percent following Beijing's implementation of economic sanctions imposed over the North's nuclear and missile tests. Some analysts say Kim's recent charm offensive was aimed at weakening the sanctions.

    Also on Monday, the North's parliament adopted a decree to sync its time zone with South Korea's this Saturday. North Korea's official news agency said the move was made at the proposal of Kim, who found it was "a painful wrench to see two clocks indicating Pyongyang and Seoul times hanging on a wall of the summit venue."

    Moon's office said Sunday that Kim made similar remarks to Moon during the summit.

    The North in 2015 had set its clocks 30 minutes behind South Korea and Japan, saying the measure was aimed at rooting out the legacy of Tokyo's 1910-45 colonial rule of the Korean Peninsula.

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  2. No Worries

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    Nobel Peace Prize is rigged. Democrats and Deep State and Fake News runs Nobel.
     
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    Trump wins NPP for not nuking the first nation that insults him.
     
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    The South Korean President himself said the hard line pressure and sanctions are what got North Korea and the US
    pressure is what got Kim to the table.

    This is historic as they've been at war for 60 years.

    I'm really surprised the world is not praising this.

    YUUUGE win for Trump.
     
    #5 Rocketman1981, Apr 30, 2018
  6. krnxsnoopy

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    This comment just means Moon doesn't give a **** about the prize and wants peace on the peninsula. He's playing 4D chess to simpleton Trump who craves personal accolades and self adulation.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    He is smart to play to Trump ego.
     
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    Cutting a deal with KIm and Kim following through are two separate things.

    Trump gets easily confused.

    Who knew North Korea was so complicated?
     
    #8 No Worries, Apr 30, 2018
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    Very smart move by Moon who is manipulating President Trump. Trump will fall for the flattery like he so often does.

    By doing this Moon has gotten Trump out of the way as much as possible. Trump won't interfere as long as he keeps getting praise.

    Remember Trump tried to take credit for the success of the Olympics. So he wants as much credit as he can possibly get. Moon has earned a great deal of respect by the way he's figured out how to maneuver Trump.
     
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    I mean, sure Trump being key to ending a conflict that has been going on for over 70 years is nice and all, but it's not as impressive as what Obama did to earn the NPP....you know, just existing. If Trump wants to match Obama's accomplishment of merely existing, he'll have to end the Korean conflict, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, have Russian give back the land they stole from Ukraine, invent a cure for AIDS, completely end world hunger, and wipe out malaria. That would put them about equal in the eyes of those who hand out the NPP.....but not quite enough to make them equal in the eyes of some in the American left.
     
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    Moon needed a buffoon to get what previous presidents couldn't get done. Makes so much sense.
     
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    Lol. It’s always Obama this and that. Weirdo.
     
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    Trump didn't do **** brah
     
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    No, he just need to be smart and is willing to trust and take the risks for peace. He is demonstrating both.
     
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    When talking about the NPP and presidents, Obama is relevant, after all he's the last president to win one. Hell there's only been 4.

    Theodore Roosevelt for helping end the war between the Russians and Japanese in 1905.

    Woodrow Wilson for helping create the League of Nations, the precursor to the UN

    Jimmy Carter as more of a lifetime achievement award for trying to bring an end to many different world conflicts over the years....with inconsistent results.

    Barack Obama for....existing.

    In the context of this conversation it makes sense to compare the accomplishments of the current president with those who previously won NPP as either a current or former president....and that's what I was doing.
     
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    Not really. In order for North Korea to come to the negotiating table, they need two prerequisites.

    Number one, they needed to become a nuclear power. This allowed them to negotiate as equals, and not have terms dictated for them.

    Number two, negotiating would have to be a more attractive option than continuing their nuclear program. The collapse of their nuclear test sites makes option A the default option.


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    The collapse is played too much as a reason. They can continue testing if they want to. There are other tunnels in that mountain and in other mountains.
     
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    Carter won it for Egypt-Israel treaty. Say what you want, but that is still the most significant peace agreement in the Middle East to date. He 100% deserved it for that one. Israel gained peace on its most important border. It also had the secondary effect of opening up negotiations with Israel and Jordan which culminated in a separate agreement. None of those countries are particularly friendly with each other but those treaties are invaluable to all three countries.

    Back to Trump, if North and South Korea figure things out, I'd 100% give it to Trump. Doesn't matter if he's getting played or whether he's acted like a buffoon. I will say that if a Democrat had proposed this, the Republicans would have lost their mind so this is only achievable with a Republican president since a Republican will naturally gain political cover. Obama would have been crucified for even suggesting direct talks with Kim Jong Un. Not to mention the headlines if Hillary (instead of Pompeo) secretly met with Kim.
     
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    Mr Trump's acceptance speech :

    -Obama's should give his NPP back .
    - it was tough to make peace with that short fat guy, but I did it
    -Democrats will investigate if Russian were meddling with my NPP
    -Stormy, do you want to see NPP from close distance?
    -CNN will find another event to cover

    everyone applauds for this marvellous mystic man of peace, he's gonna be missed once his term ends
     
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    No, not really, at least not officially. The stated reason was his lifetime of efforts towards peace. The Camp David accords were in 1978 and he won the NPP in 2002. I wasn't suggesting that he was an unworthy winner, I was just explaining that it wasn't one single thing that he won it for. He won it for a lifetime or peace efforts across the globe.

    I think if Obama had done this and THEN been handed the NPP, then I don't think many would complain about it. Some would for sure, political extremists will ALWAYS complain about those on the other side, but those people are to be ignored for the most part. What matters is results. If Obama, or Hillary for that matter, got truly positive results, he'd be celebrated for it. Trump on the other hand, well....let's just say that a good portion of the Democratic party base count as "political extremists" these days.

    That said, if it ends up that Trump gets nothing more from the North Koreans than Obama got from the Iranians, everyone should feel free to bash it.
     
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