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Hey look, Hillary turns hawkishly conservative

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wnes, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. wnes

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    [Sorry Hillary, it won't work.]
    Clinton burnishes hawkish image
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8573139/

    Senator calls for bigger Army and a crackdown on video games

    By Tom Curry
    National affairs writer
    MSNBC
    Updated: 6:20 p.m. ET July 14, 2005

    Tom Curry
    National affairs writer

    WASHINGTON - In media events Wednesday and Thursday on Capitol Hill, Sen. Hillary Clinton burnished her image as the nation’s leading Democrat who is both tough on national defense abroad and tough on cultural depravity at home.

    Clinton called Wednesday for boosting the Army by 80,000 soldiers over four years, and was back in front of television cameras again Thursday calling for a new law to punish video game retailers who sell violent or pornographic games to teenagers and children.

    The senator’s legislation would impose a $5,000 penalty on retailers who sell to underage consumers video games that are rated “M” (for mature) or “AO” (adults only) by the Entertainment Software Rating Board, an industry group.

    She told reporters that her legislation would not, at least not initially, give federal authorities the power to get an injunction to stop a retailer from selling violent or smutty games to minors.

    'A line of defense'
    “We need to do everything we can to make sure that parents have a line of defense against graphic and violent video games and other content that goes against the values they’re trying to instill in their children,” Clinton said.

    She portrayed video games as part of what she called “this overwhelming culture” which assaults children and teenagers with depraved images of violence and sex. She accused violent and pornographic video game makers of “stealing the innocence of our children.”

    Asked about the difficulty of using federal powers to enforce rules on tens of thousands of retailers across the nation, she said the government could police video game sales “the same way we police cigarette and alcohol sales to children. We don’t get everybody who makes money off of selling harmful products to children, but we send a clear message that to do so, violates the law.”

    With her stand on video games, Clinton has taken on the mantle of previous Capitol Hill cultural critics such as Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has long assailed violent rap lyrics and video games; Tipper Gore, who campaigned in the 1980s against obscene and violent rock lyrics; and former Vice President Dan Quayle, who charged that the television show “Murphy Brown” was legitimizing unwed motherhood, to the detriment of the children of those mothers.

    On Thursday, Clinton urged the Federal Trade Commission to launch an investigation of a video game called “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.”

    Horrified by 'pornographic content'
    The New York Democrat said she was struck with “absolute horror” when she read a report that the game had “pornographic content that can be unlocked by following instructions widely available on the Internet.”

    Last March, Clinton joined Lieberman and conservative Republican senators Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Sam Brownback of Kansas in calling for $90 million in federal funds for research on the effect of the Internet, i-Pods, and other electronic media on children.

    This week the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics issued a report saying that Clinton led all senators in first-quarter campaign fundraising from 14 out of the top 50 industries ranked by campaign giving.

    The report found that Clinton's Senate re-election campaign was the top recipient of donations from the music, television, and entertainment industry, raking in nearly $800,000 from the industry so far in the 2005-2006 cycle.

    On Wednesday with her frequent ally Lieberman again at her side, Clinton helped unveil a bill requiring an increase in the size of the Army from its current authorized strength of 502,400 to 582,400 by September 2009.

    Lieberman is the principal sponsor of that bill.

    “Our army is under unprecedented stress,” Clinton said. “When an army unit returns from service in Iraq or Afghanistan, it barely gets a breather before it begins training for its next deployment. This intense operation tempo is not only tough on soldiers and their families – it also hurts the readiness of our Army and our entire armed forces.”

    Even as Clinton runs for her second term in the Senate, many reporters and pundits expect her to run for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

    If Clinton runs for president
    If she runs for president, it’s not clear whether she’ll do so as a conservative, pro-military “Lieberman Democrat” — a strategy which did not work for Lieberman himself in 2004 — or as a candidate who shatters the usual ideological categories and unites all factions within the party.

    The non-partisan National Journal, which compiles ratings of all 10 senators based on 60 roll call votes on social, defense, and economic issues, ranked Clinton as more liberal than 71 percent of all her colleagues in 2004. Lieberman was rated at 69.8, with the most liberal senator being Hawaii Democrat Daniel Akaka at 94. National Journal’s least liberal Democrat is Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, at 51.2.

    Asked to comment on Clinton’s announcements this week, Thomas Basile, a spokesman for the Senate exploratory campaign committee of Ed Cox, a Republican who is planning to run against Clinton for the New York senate seat next year, said, “As she focuses less and less on New York, and more and more on running for president in 2008, she is going to be under pressure from her party to change her position and set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. People who believe she is tough on national defense should look a bit deeper.”
     
  2. Agent94

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    Thanks Hillary. I did not know this. Now I'm going to look for the codes.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    She's right. If only we get rid of the imaginary violence and sex in games our youth would turn into perfect angels. If it wasn't for that teen pregnancy and crime would eliminated.

    It also doesn't matter that the largest demographic for the game are people over 18.
     
  4. Major

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    I'm not sure she's concerned about what people over 18 do - the bill is designed to restrict sales to minors, who aren't supposed to be buying that stuff anyway.

    If we believe its up to parents to ensure they raise their kids properly, I don't see why anyone would be against trying to give parents more control over what their kids can and cannot buy.

    Besides which, it's been shown in study after study that if you indundate someone with violent images, they develop a tendency towards violence. Similarly, different types of music have been shown to induce different types of moods and brain reactions. No, it's not a sudden cureall and kids won't magically be perfect if not exposed to that, but is there anything wrong with trying to give parents the tools to raise their kids as they see fit?
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    My point about the demographic buying the game is that it isn't that big of a problem. It is a waste of govt. time and money to regulate this.

    There are more govt. regulations I would like in some areas, but video games aren't it. I think video games have next to no affect on children who are raised to understand the difference between imagination and reality. To those who have an inclination towards violence if it isn't a video game that will trigger something, it might be a textbook, a novel, a religious book, etc. All of these have some extreme violence in them.

    A teen who is exposed to nothing but this kind of thing might have a problem. A child who is exposed to a wide variety of sensory input and is taught the proper context shouldn't have a problem.

    It isn't preferable material for someone under 16 but it isn't a huge enough problem for the govt. to spend time and resources on it.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    Why are the Clintons so much smarter than the rest of the Dems (excluding Joe Biden)?
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    I've said it before, but she's stealing/borrowing Joe Lieberman's Orthodox Jewish values.

    If she can stay fiscally Conservative while maintaining the occupation in Iraq, more power to her. I doubt the Democrats care as long as some of their other issues are satisfied, abortion, environment, economy....
     

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