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Here's an idea for a Trade - Steve for Arenas/Brown

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tranmerica34, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. Tranmerica34

    Tranmerica34 Member

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    Everyone wants a legit PG in Houston. Also, everyone wants a bruising PF, who's not offensively deficient.

    How about, Steve for Gilbert Arenas and Kwame Brown, straight up?

    Arenas is still a scoring guard, but at least he passes the ball and doesn't waste motion on garbage dribbling or bone head plays. He plays "North and South" equivalent in hoops, meaning he attacks the rim with 1 or 2 dribbles.

    Kwame would be a great fit (with upside) next to Yao. He's raw, but he's big and can bang.

    Looking on RealGM, this trade works under the cap and salaries. Rockets would still have a super stud at PG (drive, dish, shoot the 3, defensive potential) - Gil is just as good as Steve in fantasy hoops :) - and Kwame would be an upgrade at the PF spot.

    Steve would also get to go home to his beloved Tacoma Park. Just a thought. These What If trade scenarios are rarely productive, but this one seems to be remotely possible (well, at least it fits under the cap).
     
  2. tannersearle78

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    Here's an idea. Why not hold off on all the trade talks on our most valuable players? If we don't make the playoffs for the fifth straight season, then you can bring these topics up.
     
  3. Asspirin

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    You know they would suck (or even more) as soon as they arrive in Houston. So NO.
     
  4. sweetie

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    I brought up tradeing Steve for Arenas when I came here just for the record. Steves agents wont let him go to just any team,so I guess the only team Steve would like to goto,plus we get something back would be D.c. and arenas.

    But they give up brown.

    Btw,I heard on news last week that the rox CUT griffin. I dont understand why nobody has posted it yet,but thats why they signed ford. Griffin was our best pf I think. He can play D and shoot threes. Ah whats the use,Amare is the guy we should have drafted and its all down hill from here on out till this team is broken up and JVG leaves.
     
  5. tannersearle78

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    Sorry. I ddin't mean to bite your head off.

    Houston, unlike other Franchises, has a hard time letting go of players they've spent a lot of time and money investing in. Case in point, Eddie Griffen. More peripheral players get cut, sure, but someone like Francis or Yao would never, ever get traded unless they flat out stunk it up every single game.

    The Rockets went through a complicated trade aggreement to get Francis from Memphis during draft week, and the Rockets put a lot of time and money in getting Yao to Houston, and they've also done a lot since his arrival.

    Also, they brought in Jeff Van Gundy so they wouldn't have to trade away these valuable guys.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Steve's agents have no control over who he may be traded to.
     
  7. tierre_brown

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    You want a legit PG and you think Gilbery Arenas is the answer?

    He had 8 TOs in tonight's game. He's Steve Francis lite. He's Stevie without the hops.

    You bemoan Stevie's lack of any true PG skills and want to replace him with his mini-me clone?

    MAYBE if they throw in their picks, I'd consider it for 5 seconds. Sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but seriously, this BBS needs to realize that we could do a LOT worse than Steve, Arenas being one of them.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    ...STOP...QUOTING....SWEETIE!

    anyway, on the substantive point, this Francis for Arenas brainstorm was one of Yetti's favorite offseason rants:

    Trade Francis, because he scores too much and shoots too much, and gets too few assists, and turns it over too much, for Arenas, who scores less, shoots the same amount, gets the same number of assists, and turns it over too much.

    Essentially, swap Francis for a smaller, less talented, less effective version of himself: Francis for Francis Lite...

    Yeah, that's just what the doctor ordered, with another head case PF who hasn't done jack since he was in high school.

    Please stop with the incessant trade talk guys, it's just not going to happen. You might as well make a trade about Moochie hypothetically being the first Chinese astronaut to walk on the moon; they're both equally likely.

    The season is going on, and we are having a good and exciting one. Just talk about that for a change.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    Ah yes, the trade Francis for Arenas idea. Quite a brilliant one indeed. The reason that trade was popular was not because guys like Yetti really believed that Arenas was a better playmaker, what they knew is that Arenas would have no choice but to be 2nd fiddle to Yao no matter what.
     
  10. Darrinlane

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    You have GOT to be kidding me!! Shoot first point guards that are good.....1. Marbury 1.(tie) Francis 3. Davis 4. Arenas(with serious Wallace like mental problems)






    Busts....1. Griffin....2.Brown
     
  11. nyquil82

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    you get a D- for that trade. Try harder.
     
  12. Willis25

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    you guys need to play fantasy basketball - then you can make these trades all day long

    ,,, then again if you want Arenas - it sounds like you ARE playing Fan. BBALL

    because only a roto foo' would look purely at stats to make the decision to mess with the team's chemistry right now
     
  13. yipengzhao

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    this trade is horrible, it's made on the pretense that Arenas is a better PG than Francis and that Brown is "bruiser." Well... Arenas and Francis are pretty similar they both demand ball and take lots of shot and Francis is probably still better though Arenas is younger. Kwame Brown is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from being a bruiser. A scrub if you ask me. All the people that complain about Yao -- at least the #1 pick didn't turn out to be like this!
     
  14. mag

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    I think Steve is one of the best players we have and we should not trade him, but we should let him play at his real position SG.
    I think we should trade Mobley. I know he is a good player, but we have two very good players that can only play at the 2 and we need baddly a PG.
    I think we should try dealing with Seattle or Utah. They have been lucky to find good guards out of nowhere and might be willing to trade.
     
  15. ckfol

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    A good trade for Houston but Gund must be smoking weed if he makes this deal. Arenas is a legit pg with mad hops, tremendous uptempo player with great courtvision. He's (Wildcats always come out with great guards that understand how to play the game) already light years ahead of Stevie in terms of running the team offense. His weakness is his immaturity on the court and lack of leadership. But he's only 21. Give him 4 or 5 years, he's going to be one of the best pg in the league. I don't think washington would do it 1 for 1 let alone throwing in a #1 pick like Kwame Brown. I am a Rocket fan, but lets be realistic here thinking Stevie is the greatest thing since slice bread.
     
  16. couch_pot8o

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    i have another trade idea, how bout we trade tranmerica34 for a candy bar?

    trade outlook:
    ClutchBBS: Trades Tranmerica34
    ClutchBBS: Receives Snickers Candy Bar

    Snickers: Trades one of their candy bars
    Snickers: Receices Tranmerica

    -or-

    ClutchBBS: Releases all stupid trade idea thread starters to free agency

    now that is a transaction that ima make.:D :D :D
     
  17. Fegwu

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    How did you figure?
     
  18. Sane

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    Arenas?

    Sounds good. We've been lacking a 20/6/6 player who turns the ball over, and hasn't quite developed his defense yet. We also hope that he could be a tweener and hadn't figured out the proper balance in scoring and passing. Young, athletic, developing instincts at the 1, too small for the 2.

    Thank God for Arenas, where else would we get an identical player?


    Arenas is a Francis wanna be. Same atrocious asst/TO ratio, same scoring, same problems, same abilities, same needs, same everything.

    Right now, Francis is a little better at EVERYTHING than Arenas. Why would we demote to Arenas, then get skinny-as-hell Kwame Brown to "bang"? In the Wil Wild West? Are you kidding me?

    I'd rather have Larry Hughes. He can co-exist in the backcourt with a star player, feeds off them, and is obviously the only one who learned anything from MJ. Look at his numbers since MJ came and left. His FG% improved dramatically, and his defense has shot up a few notches. He also gets a great number of assists for a SG, and can play PG when needed. Great size. His size would allow him to slide to the Point and move Francis over to the 2.

    Jarvis Hayes is another nice player. Although with his contract, Washington would be crazy to give him up. I'm guessing they HAVE to start Stack and Arenas, so Larry Hughes may be expendeable. Take a look at his games, you'll be very surprised.
     
  19. story_teller

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    *lol* Are you sure the Rockets are 6-2 this season? You would think the team was 2-6 and showing NO signs of improvement with all the bogus trade ideas that arrive on this BBS.
     
  20. Bassfly

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    I didnt know the rockets were in rebuilding phase
     

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