there has been a lot of Shareef this and that. let me ask you this: if we land Reef, would you sign and trade him for Webber this summer? Do you think having Shareef (at the likely expense of cap room to get Webber) may still allow us to get Webber? So, give up all cap room and the sign n trade Reef for Webber. I believe Reef is no longer a BYC this August 1st, so it should not be a salary matching issue.. no?
The Kings could do alot worse... plus, most deals end up as sign & trades at the end of it anyway. You sure have been focused on Shareef alot lately partner. What ever happened to you staying above all of that? Tired of being ignored? ------------------ I keep plugging away, but I just can't get a 3 way to work on realwife.com
i guess what i'm saying (since jammie is yelling at me at the impossibilities) is why not take Reeves and sign-n-trade Reef for Webber (plus necessary picks and spam). Maybe we can actually lose the Dream windfall and STILL get Webber on the open market
That's a good plan, just in case CD and RT are unwilling or unable to unload the Pippen trio for cap space. If you're not close enough, may as well take advantage of the fact that we're over the cap anyway... and we have a big tradeable lug commodity. Then again, just maybe... there's still a way to send Reeves to Miami and Van to waive Dream (in which Dream would just sign w/ Miami). Given the crap that Van accepted for OH, I think that SAR will be traded any day now... i.e. tomorrow. ------------------ I keep plugging away, but I just can't get a 3 way to work on realwife.com
If I be damned for speculation...damn it all...join me for this one weakness of mine (Webber, my only savior) would you take Reef and Reeves and gamble on a sign n trade for Webber quit accusing me of Doc Rocket hieroglyphics Achebe...get me your forever damned devil speculation!!
Of course, if they like Reef enough to deal for him, they may just consider him the last piece to the puzzle, sign Mo and Anderson and be done with it. ------------------ Me fail English? That's unpossible.
If we're going to do that, why not send SAR/Cato/Walt/Draft picks to Minnesota for Garnett? I know, this will never happen. But, if you could have either one, which one would you rather have? ------------------
so Jeff, I'll mark you down as a fully-birthed chad for SF rather than PF, as usual. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited January 31, 2001).]
Hmmm. What´s better, a frontline of Mo, Reef and Mutombo or a frontline of Shandon, Webber and Mutombo, with Mo gone? If we get Reef without moving Hakeem by throwing the Pippen legacy on somebody else´s shoulders, both scenarios are quite feasible. Option two is far more intersting, i admit. Now, if the trade is for Hakeem, i would rather have Reef and Mo and a hole at C than Webber and holes at the 3 and 5. Shandon is not a starting SF in my mind. Not without a dominant center to add size. I would rather split the SG spot between him and Cuttino and have Shandon backup the 3. With Reef playing the 3 and sometimes the 4, where we would still have Mo. That leaves the 5 to be filled through the draft, or by Cato if we are unable to move him. ------------------ "Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream..." - from the Van Halen song, "The Dream is Over" (Thank you, Freak). Fitting, isn´t it? [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 31, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 31, 2001).]
Maybe Mo at the 5 wouldn't be considered a "hole," depending on what other player we had to rotate into the spot. Mo can really move with the ball for a big dude. He can pass and shoot from outside. Isn't that what we need from the team's center? And didn't some individuals here post when we acquired him that he seemed taller than 6'9" anyway? Would a player be listed as shorter than his actual height because he can't rebound? Just a passing thought. ------------------
The question is not if he could play center, but rather, if he would be willing to do so. When i mentioned a hole at the 5 it was under the clear impression I have that if we sign Webber, Mo is a goner. And besides, Mo, Webber and Shandon would still be a frontline plagued by rebounding woes. ------------------ "Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream..." - from the Van Halen song, "The Dream is Over" (Thank you, Freak). Fitting, isn´t it?
Webber alone would solve our rebounding woes, especially if our backcourt remains strong in this area. Don't ya think? ------------------
Our backcourt SHOULDN`T have to worry as much as rebounding as it currently is. Francis, and recently Cuttino´s rebounding prowess is just a sign of how weak our frontline is as far as rebounding goes. The backcourt should be on the run for some easy baskets and leave the defensive rebounding for the frontcourt to handle, and then connect a long range pass to them. That´s what a real fastbreak is all about. Our guards excessive attention to rebounding only leads to a slower offense and helps the other team´s fastbreak when the guards are after offensive rebounds. I´m not saying they SHOULDN´T rebound, but not at this rate! ------------------ "Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream, this dream is over... Dream another dream..." - from the Van Halen song, "The Dream is Over" (Thank you, Freak). Fitting, isn´t it?
Well it kind of works both ways, though. With a legitimate post presence such as Webber, would we not also slow the fast break prowess of the opposition? Also, with Webber in the paint wouldn't at least 1 guard sneak back after every shot - offensively and defensively? I think what he can provide will not only be measured by rebounding but in every facet of our game. All of our players become much more dangerous with him on the floor. ------------------
My only problem with getting SAR is Reeves. Its kinda of weird saying this cause the only basketball team in college hoops I root for is Oklahoma State, and god knows I remember that awesome run with Reeves at the helm to the Final Four. However, other then his first or second game in the L, Big Country has gone from being "Big" Country, to just a country of his own . Now we all know that the Bulls wouldn't mind picking up BC, so maybe there is someway that we could not pick him up at all in and send him to Chicago somehow. Then Sign Rahim and like Hey Partner's been saying, trade him for Webber so that Kings get a star player to keep there chances of competing alive, we get Webber, sign Shandon, maybe let MO go (even though I wouldn't want to but due to cap), and go after Davis. That would completely rebuild are frontcourt with Kenny coming off the bench, draft picks and Cato/Collier. C- Davis PF- Webber SF- Shandon SG- Mobley PG- Francis I don't know but that frontcourt looks pretty good even in the West, and with the most solid backcourt, I see championships as the only alternative this team would have. ------------------ -jbond77
tha only way we'll win a championship is if shandy stops lookin so damn silly out there on tha floor, and practices is dribbling. ok thas all i have for today. GO PRACTICE SHANDON! ------------------ Lookin at a 75 year old man in a thong: NASTY Lookin at Shaq hit free throws: "O SH**!" [This message has been edited by jerinrulz (edited January 31, 2001).]
heyShareef- Did you forget that when a team falls below the cap, the player loses his dreaded BYC tag? ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
I just don't think that's the case, if it was, I'd think it'd have been done already/ Versace was quoted saying they plan on trimming their backcourt (likely Bibby) and are looking for a "tough cookie" in their front court. Uh, so do we. I return to my thoughts of a deal involving Bibby and Reeves to Chicago, Swift and Brad Miller to us, Cato/Fizer/Crawford/KT/Walt/Los (maybe with some added Chicago smog) to Vancouver or maybe the latter couple to Chicago, with a couple of our picks (along with freeing up Chicagos) to Vancouver. If we do that, check out this summer-sign Mo to a 6 million dollar base, renounce Bull (you can sign him to the 1 mill minimum if you wish after you finish the rest) leave Shandon and Mooch unrenounced and wait to give them their early bird deals (which could be worth more money than Cat's deal), and you'd have 20.889615 million left in capspace, not counting picks and counting 2.15 million assigned to Maloney. So, if your pick is around 800K (Milwaukee), you could sign Mutumbo to his FULL amount of 14 mill, and probably have room to sign a Marc Jackson, Brad Miller, Eddie Robinson, Ruben Patterson, MacCulloch, Eschmeyer, Gatling, Antonio Davis or whatever free agent makes you happy. Our team would look like- Francis/Moochie* Anderson*/Mobley Morris/Langhi (maybe Bullard?) Taylor/Swift Mutumbo/Miller/Collier *-Signed at end of our movement to early bird deals italics represents possible signing/pick in this scenario. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated. [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited January 31, 2001).]
