Hawks might trade Marvin Williams

I like Marvin a lot, he's tall, athletic... can get to the rack and shoot 3s.

 

we could really use that length and athleticism.

 

Would you do a sign and trade for Ron Artest?

Maybe Artest for Marvin and Zaza?

 

He sure hasn't had the career one might expect from the #2 pick in his draft, but I'd take a flyer on him, if he's cheap. Would make a nice addition to the rotation.

 

the Hawks have no need for Ron Artest, certainly not at the price tag he will command.

if they didn't re-sign josh childress, and are letting williams go in the first place, they sure as heck aren't overpaying for a 30 year old ron artest.

 

I would do it in a heartbeat if that was ever offered. Marvin Williams actually at times tends to give LeBron James some problems, he's a good defender. It's too bad he was never a starter in UNC.

 

This seems plausible. As somebody that follows the Hawks closely I can tell you that Josh Smith's move to three is inevitable so you can't really keep both Marvin and Josh.

Of course, Marvin could just take the qualifying offer and become unrestricted next summer. The catch? It's the loaded 2010 free agent class, but it also could give Marvin another year to showcase his talent and prove whether or not he's a 17-20 PPG scorer as opposed to a sub-15 PPG and just an above average starter. I can tell you that despite Marvin's slight dip statistically this year, he still has improved each year. This year he added a three point shot. He still gets to the line fairly frequently and completely owns the baseline and mid-range game. Overall, he's a very good scorer that does a little of everything. Ideally, a $6-8M per year type player.

 

So fast you would spin......

 

Plus we get your backup for Yao

 

2001: Drafted Pau Gasol but traded him to the Grizzlies for Adur-Rahim
2003: Drafted Boris Diaw but sent him to Phoenix in the Joe Johnson S&T
2004: Drafted Josh Childress but let him go overseas to the Olympiakos
Drafted Josh Smith
2005: Drafted Marvin Williams
2006: Drafted Sheldon Williams but traded him to the Kings for Mike Bibby
2007: Drafted Al Horford and Acie Law

So in this decade alone, the Hawks have:

Traded away a potential franchise center

Let one of their key players leave overseas because they fear they were going to overpay for him

Traded a fairly decent power forward in Williams for a point guard they wouldn't have needed if they had drafted Paul in the first place

and now they are considering trading away Marvin Williams, who still could be a fairly good player in the league. I know hindsight is 20/20 but the way the Hawks were wheelin and dealin, you'd think they were contenders every year.

 

Not really a move you can criticize. SAR put up quality numbers on bad teams just like Gasol did before getting stolen by the Lakers.

Josh Smith was a free agent last summer too. Their concerns were how to retain both of them then Childress surprised everybody by bolting overseas. Childress will be back next year and the Hawks still retain his rights. Not really the crisis you make it out to be.

Fairly decent? Shelden Williams?! Shelden is a complete bust that they were able to parlay (along with a few other broken pieces) into Bibby. Bibby was an instant upgrade and a total win-win move when you factor in his ginormous expiring contract. This was the best trade the Hawks have made in years.

As I mentioned earlier there are a lot of variables in determining Marvin's future on the Hawks. The Hawks have already committed to Josh Smith, and even despite Josh's brain lapses, he's still the better player. Josh's move to the three is inevitable and Marvin isn't built to play the four. If you keep both players you're then stuck with too heavy priced three's. Not exactly ideal.

 

I'd take Marvin over Ron-Ron.

 

And then they traded him after two years, which included an All Star selection. Of course this trade led to getting Wallace which they parlayed it into the #2 pick in the draft where they could have taken any of the point guards that were available. Knight made moves all around but in the end it looked like he just led the Hawks team in one big circle.

As for Childress returning to the Hawks next season, that's something I haven't heard or read. But if that's the case, then what will the Hawks pay for his services?

I'll agree that this was the best trade they've made in recent memory and probably the reason why they got into the playoffs last year. But if their GM did his homework (i.e. look at what he needed for his roster), they wouldn't have had to be concerned with re-signing Bibby but rather trying to add depth behind a Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

I'll agree that Smith is the better of the two. As much as I think Williams has a much higher ceiling than Smith offensively, he's not the defender Josh is by any means. It may not be ideal to keep too many swingmen on your roster but trading Williams and giving up on Acie Law seems to be more of a reactionary idea Hawks' front office is known for.

 

Shelden Williams is horrible, I bet his wife schools him in the driveway.

 

There's no report or link I can provide for confirmation but plenty seem to suspect the overseas honeymoon is over and he'll return to the NBA next season. In the event that happens he'll become a restricted free agent again. The Hawks will at least get the last say whether or not he returns wearing a Hawks uniform.

Well, yeah....passing on CP3 and Deron is a move anybody associated with the Hawks will simply never be able to digest. For as much heat as the Hawks get for their drafting blunders, this was the only REAL example of ineptitude and "Whoops, yeah, we really F'd that one up".

Acie Law and Shelden Williams were both considered NBA-ready and "safe" picks almost universally.

Yeah, Marvin still has some upside and like I was saying: even despite the slight dip statistically he actually added a three point shot this year and continued to display an overall ability to impact the game in multiple areas. He's a very good player that I like watching. I definitely hope he does well.

As for Acie Law, you can't fault Woodson for not playing or giving up on him. Acie has no confidence when he's out there. The only time he ever plays well is in garbage time when the pressure goes out the window. Which is a shame considering he actually has the footspeed stay in front of even the quickest NBA PG's. Amazing, though, how he seemingly left his jumper in college.

 

If Wafer walks, then we could just throw the MLE at Marvin and see if he bites. I like Williams because even though he hasn't fulfilled the promise the Hawks put on him as the #2 pick, he has steadily improved his game every year. Two years ago he was one of the best shooters on "long 2's" but was fairly poor on 3's. But this year, he's obviously increased his range and starting hitting 3 pointers at a decent clip. He also gets to the line pretty well and would augment what Lowry does for us in drawing fouls.

The downside for signing/trading for Williams is that he's a long, lanky player that has a history of back problems. Not sure the Rockets want to get into that kind of boat again but if the price is right...

 

this would be my plan too. not sure who else is available, and doubtful you could get him at that price, but i would take marvin williams at MLE $ over ron artest any day of the week.

 

Marvin is a solid player, nothing special. I never thought of him as high as most with the suppose biggest upside type of thing. He doesnt have special physical gifts, so i dont know why they ever considered him to be special anyway. He's not over sized for the 3 or 4. He's not a athletic freak of any kind, plus he left really early. He's more 3 than a 4 and i never thought he was as good as either josh smith or childress. They're trying to make up for what they made a mistake in not drafting paul or williams. He's a good player on a good team and he has production on his side. Other than that, that's it.