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Harsh New Drug Bill About to Be Introduced in House 11/21/03

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/312/harsh.shtml

    One of Congress's staunchest drug warriors, Rep. Mark Souder, is at it again. The Indiana Republican best known for authoring the Higher Education Act's anti-drug provision is about to introduce legislation that would jam federal prisons even more full of drug offenders. The bill, called with Orwellian flair the "Drug Sentencing Reform Act," is set to be introduced within the next two weeks, and Souder is looking for cosponsors, reported the Drug Policy Alliance (http://www.drugpolicy.org), which has two staffers working Capitol Hill full-time and which is organizing to kill the bill.
    According to an explanation of the bill provided in a Souder e-mail to his colleagues his legislation would:

    • Expand the purview of the Feeney Amendment, which restricts federal judges' ability to reduce sentences, to include drug offenses.
    • Mandate random drug testing for almost all federal parolees and probationers, not just drug offenders or people suspected of having substance abuse problems.
    • Direct the US Sentencing Commission to no longer allow lower sentences for nonviolent drug offenders who have certain mitigating circumstances (such as being addicted to drugs) or who lack previous criminal records.
    • Create harsh new penalties for growing "high-potency" mar1juana.

    "This was a little holiday surprise," said Bill Piper, legislative director at DPA's Washington office, "and it's not a very pleasant one. This bill is overwhelmingly bad," he told DRCNet, "it's all sentencing and no reform. This bill continues a trend of tying the hands of judges and preventing them from reducing sentences for drug offenders. Not only will more people go to prison for longer stays, the taxpayers will have to pay for it."

    The sentencing provisions are not the only provisions that will leave taxpayers clutching their wallets, Piper said. "The mandatory drug testing provision will also cost," he said. "Right now, judges have discretion on ordering testing, and they usually only impose a drug testing condition on parolees who have drug charges or a substance abuse problem, but this bill would require everyone on supervised release to have drug tests, even if there is no reason to believe they might be using drugs. It costs money to test every single federal parolee or probationer," Piper explained.

    And while corrections departments in the states are moving to rein in the practice of returning parolees to prison for "administrative" violations such as failing a drug test (see California newsbrief this issue), federal drug testing will be used to re-imprison thousands of nonviolent drug offenders for years, Piper added. There is an exception for some federal misdemeanors or if prosecutors move to waive drug testing. "When is that going to happen?" Piper asked. "The states are trying to fix this problem, but Souder is moving in the opposite direction."

    And then there's Souder's continuing war on mar1juana. Long a loud opponent of medical mar1juana, Souder has crafted a "high-potency" pot provision seemingly designed to be used against medical mar1juana grows in states where the practice is legal. According to the bill's draft, mar1juana growing offenders will be sentenced not just on the weight of the drug but according to its potency. Souder's bill creates three classes of high potency pot, between 6 and 13% THC, 13-25% THC, and greater than 25% THC.

    The changes in sentencing for high-potency growers would be dramatic under the Souder bill. For instance, if someone grew 50 plants in California as part of a medical mar1juana program, under current law he could be sentenced to up to 20 years in federal prison. Under the Souder bill, the same grower would face a mandatory minimum 5-year sentence and a maximum 40-year sentence.

    "This is really about the cultural war on mar1juana," said Piper. "They know they're losing the battle in terms of public support for the decriminalization and legalization of mar1juana. Both Souder and John Walters like to talk about 'super-pot,' not your father's pot, this dangerous high-potency stuff. They also want to go after the pot co-ops, and it's easier to say they're going after dangerous, high-potency mar1juana than it is for them to argue that we need increased mar1juana penalties across the board."

    Medical mar1juana users smoke mar1juana with high THC concentrations because it works better for them, said Piper. "It is ironic that Souder would discourage people from using stronger mar1juana. People using more potent pot smoke less, and that's good for their health. Souder is encouraging people to grow and smoke low-quality pot, which means mar1juana smokers will just smoke more."

    That provision also provoked the mar1juana Policy Project (http://www.mpp.org) to jump in to oppose the bill. "This bill is a direct threat to the health of patients and to the caregivers and loved ones who assist them," said Steve Fox, MPP director of government relations. "Souder should call his bill the Lung Disease Promotion Act of 2003. The only serious health risks associated with mar1juana use involve lung problems like bronchitis caused by the tars in smoke, and research has shown that users of higher-THC mar1juana inhale less of those contaminants."

    While Souder scurries around seeking cosponsors, DPA is gearing up to ensure that he finds few or none. "We're doing a whole bunch of things to blunt this bill," said Piper. "We're encouraging people to call their representatives and tell them not to cosponsor, we've contacted congressional offices with the same message, we've faxed every congressional office a one-page analysis, and we're working to get media around so people are too embarrassed to become cosponsors," he explained.
    Visit http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/SouderEmail.pdf to view a copy of the Souder e-mail.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    And the hits just keep on coming.
     
  3. GreenVegan76

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    Ah, yes: wasting tax dollars arresting, charging, imprisoning and paroling people who only threaten pints of ice cream and boxes of twinkies.

    Nice.
     
  4. mateo

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    I dont even smoke pot and I find this offensive, wasteful, and basically r****ded.
     
  5. bamaslammer

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    Ugggh....... If the Republicans had any good sense, they would just leave this alone.
     
  6. GreenVegan76

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    This isn't just a "Republican" issue. Democrats pile on, too. These guys will do anything to make themselves look (ugh) tough on drugs, i.e., crime. It's insulting to our intelligence, really.

    I still don't understand -- it's legal to have a gun, as long as you don't hurt anybody. But it's illegal to have drugs, even if they don't hurt anybody.

    Ending prohibition, even in small stages (and only for certain drugs like mar1juana), would free up tens of *billions* of dollars in this country. Just imagine the money, time and resources police spend investigating, hunting, arresting and charging these non-violent people who do nothing more than smoke a joint.

    Then, these cases clog up the judicial system, costing more money, time and resources. Then, if found "guilty," they're sent to prison, where even MORE money, time and resources are wasted.

    It's absolutely ridiculous.
     
  7. underoverup

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    Prisons make a great deal of money for those involved -- with the privatization of the institutions there is even greater profit to be made. Non-violent drug offenders are much easier to house and control than violent individuals. This is why the “war on drugs” will never end and will only get worse - particularly for people who use or grow “super pot” :rolleyes: (that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard). Marihuana users are such an easy target, perfect to fill prisons and the foolish American public will eat up comments like "super weed", "devil weed", and other ludicrous terms meant to scare people into supporting asinine drug laws.
     
  8. thadeus

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    Another spurt of ****ty legislation designed for soundbites:

    "The American voters can look at my record and see that I have taken action to keep our children safe from drugs."

    Then, a gaggle of moronic Americans respond:

    "Yeah, I like keeping children safe too! What a swell guy! And he looks nicer than the other candidate, and he doesn't look smart enough to be threatening! He gets my vote for sure!"


    Rep. Mark Souder only puts this ridiculous legislation forward because he believes it will appeal to voters who will keep him in power.

    To the morons who are registered to vote, Indiana and elsewhere:

    Please, please, please stop encouraging them.
     
  9. bamaslammer

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    I couldn't have said it better, great post GV76.....and ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!
     
  10. ZRB

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    Is there any chance of this bullsh*t passing and becoming law?
     
  11. mrpaige

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    Even putting aside that this is drug legislation, I hate the Congress overstepping the separation by mandating sentences and attempting to take away the ability of judges or juries from setting the penalties they deem appropriate.

    The big problem with these types of sentencing requirements is that there are times when at least some level of leeway needs to be allowed to properly administer justice. One size never fits all. And it is part of the job of the judicial branch to determine appropriate sentences in each individual case.
     
  12. TheFreak

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    All I see is an article from "stopthedrugwar.org", and a bunch of quotes from some website called "drugpolicy.org" which has "two staffers working Capitol Hill full-time and which is organizing to kill the bill"...is this supposed to be an objective story?
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, this is an article about the bill that Souder is trying to pass. If you care to defend the drug war, please go ahead, but the fact remains that Souder is going to try to get this bill passed just as he has pushed other draconian drug laws in the past. He is the guy who took federal financial aid away from students caught violating drug laws. Rapists, burglers, and armed robbers can get financial aid, but a kid caught with a joint can't.

    What should be objective is our drug policy.
     
  14. GreenVegan76

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    Excellent points. "Mandatory" sentences take the law out of the judges' hands and essentially give Congress control of the judicial system. That, in and of itself, is a scary step too often taken by politicians.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    i straddle the fence on this
    because
    it seens. . .. rich folx get LEEWAY [see GW BUSH[
    poor folx get prison

    So I kind of like mandatory sentences
    everyone get the same no matter their
    social political status
    but then again . . .rich folx's lawyers will get around it

    In america you get as much justice as you can afford

    Rocket River
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Ironically enough, back in the 70's when mandatory sentencing guidelines were popularized and eventually implemented, this was the prevailing theory behind them.

    However as implemented on the federal (and state, such as the draconian rockefeller drug laws) level they have been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster. You get a public dfender and you are getting the maximum or a bad pleal, you get a good lawyer and you get a good plea; and don't get caught with crack cocaine, whatever you do.

    Most people who have any experience with the criminal justice system within the legal establishment, from defense lawyer types like Alan Dershowitz to right wing, hard on crime types like William Rehnquist have all said that the federal sentencing guidelines are a horrible idea and are basically unjust and thrown out the window.

    Unfortunately, they remain popular for politicians who can just endorse them and get them passed and then don't ever have to deal with the consequences and appear "tough on crime". More like "stupid on crime".
     
  17. Deckard

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    Excellent.
    I keep hoping that the Supreme Court will step in and declare things like this a violation of the separation of powers aspect of the Constitution. I'm not a lawyer or legal expert, but the increasingly intrusive role of Congress and the Executive branch regarding the Judicial system seems "out of order". Any thoughts on that from our "legal experts"... like MadMax?
     
  18. StupidMoniker

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    I think I will have to support this bill. This aligns pretty well with my stance on our drug laws. Obviously what we have now is not working. I would ideally like there to be no drug laws. While we have the laws on the books though, I think we should give them as much bite as possible. There should be mandatory jail time for any amount of any illegal drug. That is how you fight drugs. If we as a nation are not ready to move to legalized drugs (we're not, unfortunately) then we need to make the consequences of being in contact with drugs so bad that it is just not worth it.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Once again, you chime in with a nonsensical argument that belies logic and reason. You claim that you would like there to be no drug laws and go on to say that if there ARE drug laws, they should be as draconian as possible. You try to argue that giving the drug laws "bite" is the most appropriate way to "fight drugs." Your argument is lacking in that no matter the consequence or punishment, drug use in this country has not fluctuated much at all.

    Mandatory minimum sentences have the effect of putting low level drug users and dealers in jail for long periods of time even when they may have been only peripherally involved. These sentencing schemes have also increased our prison budgets and mandated that we keep building more and more jails every year to house our "criminals."

    If, historically, harsher penalties had ANY effect on levels of drug use, your argument might hold water, but as it is, your unthinking, knee-jerk approach will only serve to further bankrupt this country and continue to fuel the war between police and the people they are supposed to serve and protect.
     
  20. GreenVegan76

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    I get what you're saying, and see the reasoning behind it. But I'm not sure the approach is the best way to handle things. In essense, this is the exact approach the government has taken the last 20 years -- and it's an absolute failure.

    The court systems need more flexibility, not less. Mandatory sentencing often removes common sense from trials, and puts Congress on the bench. This is especially dangerous because Congress works with a *totally* different set of rules and politics -- the courts should be absolutely impartial to politics.

    Congress sets the rules, but shouldn't interpret them, too.
     

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