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Harold Pinter, Nobel Prize Winner, Talks about U.S.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thadeus, Dec 8, 2005.

  1. thadeus

    thadeus Member

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    Political language, as used by politicians, does not venture into any of this territory since the majority of politicians, on the evidence available to us, are interested not in truth but in power and in the maintenance of that power. To maintain that power it is essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives. What surrounds us therefore is a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed.

    As every single person here knows, the justification for the invasion of Iraq was that Saddam Hussein possessed a highly dangerous body of weapons of mass destruction, some of which could be fired in 45 minutes, bringing about appalling devastation. We were assured that was true. It was not true. We were told that Iraq had a relationship with Al Quaeda and shared responsibility for the atrocity in New York of September 11th 2001. We were assured that this was true. It was not true. We were told that Iraq threatened the security of the world. We were assured it was true. It was not true.

    The truth is something entirely different. The truth is to do with how the United States understands its role in the world and how it chooses to embody it.

    He has much more to say in his full lecture....


    ******* Nobel Prize winners! They're all liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy!
     
  2. mc mark

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    I've been looking all DAY! for the transcript.

    Tanks!
     
  3. mc mark

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    so much anger...so much frustration...

    The speech is devastating. He composes a poem...


    Where was the dead body found?
    Who found the dead body?
    Was the dead body dead when found?
    How was the dead body found?

    Who was the dead body?

    Who was the father or daughter or brother
    Or uncle or sister or mother or son
    Of the dead and abandoned body?

    Was the body dead when abandoned?
    Was the body abandoned?
    By whom had it been abandoned?

    Was the dead body naked or dressed for a journey?

    What made you declare the dead body dead?
    Did you declare the dead body dead?
    How well did you know the dead body?
    How did you know the dead body was dead?

    Did you wash the dead body
    Did you close both its eyes
    Did you bury the body
    Did you leave it abandoned
    Did you kiss the dead body
     
  4. thadeus

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    Pinter is a very insightful writer and thinker.

    It's amazing to me that people just dismiss stuff like this - we've had a virtual who's-who of the world's most accomplished philosophers, historians, artists, and scientists speak out against this president - and the usual response is, "Oh, they think they're so smart! They're just liberals."
     
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    Smart people are growing more and more cynical with the current worldview. Is the world really going down the crapper, or is it a cyclical thing?
     
  6. Deckard

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    I think it's both. We're in a cycle, and the world is really going down the crapper.
    Meanwhile, we have nothing but crap running the country. :(



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
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    -deleted too!

    Not really.
     

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