1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Harden's inability/unwillingness to free himself up for the ball.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jacoby, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. JaceMan da SpaceMan

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2017
    Messages:
    554
    Likes Received:
    383
    Hm shuld we trade hardman 4 klay thompkins like OTampax say 4 to do
     
    SirIvyLeague and vlaurelio like this.
  2. Jontro

    Jontro Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    34,383
    Likes Received:
    22,127
    i also tried but the text deleted itself.
     
    hakeem94 likes this.
  3. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    he didn't DOMINATE with playmaking and drives

    harden is the best at playmaking and drives.. quick and agile

    does bird have the quick first step, change of direction and speed, and stopping power of Harden?rden

    harden's quick first step, change of direction and speed, and stopping power is elite - those are all physical/athletic traits live with it

    lol LOF
     
    hakeem94 likes this.
  4. StevieCrossover

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2007
    Messages:
    900
    Likes Received:
    253
    harden cant work too hard.
     
  5. Zboy

    Zboy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2002
    Messages:
    27,234
    Likes Received:
    21,956
    He doesn't move his feet fast enough and does not know how to use his wide frame properly.

    He needs to lock the defender with his arm (not push off) and extend his off arm so that the passer can lob the ball over defender, just like he would feed the post.

    Instead he panics and pushes the defender or just stays stationary.

    These are simple basic stuff that coaches should be going over during practice.

    It is as much on the coaches as it is on the players.
     
  6. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Yep i would think after the boston game mda harden cp3 n the whole team should have addressed this already

    Lazy coaching
     
    hakeem94 likes this.
  7. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,519
    Likes Received:
    28,982

    That is the other thing that bothers me is . . ..
    If Harden SEALS his man . . . .The Refs allow his many to play through him to get the 'steal'
    I have seen inbounds plays where Harden has his man sealed
    then an INCREDIBLE amount of contact is allowed to disrupt the inbounds pass

    Rocket River
     
    DreamShook, Patience, Plowman and 2 others like this.
  8. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    33,203
    Likes Received:
    24,156
    Luc could've also not gotten the ball snatched from him like a toddler.
     
  9. swyyyguy

    swyyyguy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    8,068
    Likes Received:
    3,323
    Does Harden have Bird’s heart?
     
  10. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,675
    Likes Received:
    39,258
    It’s interesting how easily some of you turn all blame to the the coaches or ryno in all situations
     
    DreamShook and cheke64 like this.
  11. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,675
    Likes Received:
    39,258
    If you’re not happy the team you’re rooting for has the coach of the year then at least accept it.
     
  12. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,675
    Likes Received:
    39,258
    The final in bounds last night for the pelicans featured a big push off that wasn’t called. Most players do that push off without a call.

    Harden is being targeted and we need to accept that and adjust accordingly
     
  13. anchel

    anchel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    3,875
    Likes Received:
    1,334
    The technique to free yourself it's teached at 9 years old. In fact I coach kids of that age and we often train that because they naturally try to recieve the ball going next to it instead of keeping their position and getting free of their defenders with technique and change of rythms.

    Chris Paul could teach him the technique (lol), but more than half of it it is about putting interest and effort on the play, those are Harden issues.

    Anyway, the blame on that play is 80% on Mbah a Moute, you can't be that SOFT at that moment.
     
    vlaurelio likes this.
  14. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,519
    Likes Received:
    28,982
    There are 7 different reason why we lost
    but
    the so call Rocket Fans will attempt to fixate on something Harden did.

    the Four Point Play that wasn't . . . . . . absolutely pissed me off
    how many points were taken off the board because of the NBA's vendetta against the Rockets and Harden

    Rocket River
     
    Patience and vlaurelio like this.
  15. jacoby

    jacoby Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2011
    Messages:
    3,952
    Likes Received:
    3,689
    It's almost as if you can be annoyed at the refs and call out Harden for this pattern of flat-footedness that has cost us a couple crucial possessions down the stretch of games. You can dismiss Harden's mental lapses all you want by throwing out these what about-isms, but this seems like such a simple fix and I'm wondering why we keep seeing it in the most important stretches of games.

    If Harden moved his ass in the Boston game, we wouldn't be talking about the Smart/Brothers debacle. If he freed himself up last night we could have won the game too. No excuse.
     
  16. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Hey Mavsprick Where u been hiding

    Lol mavs lose and you stfu and hid under your rock

    Rockets lose and you come out
     
  17. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Lol 55 wins last year had to do more with the mvp. Pops would have won us at least 55 and farther in the playoffs.

    you gotta admit last year mda was too dependent with harden and this year with both cp3 n harden

    hes not on the same level as pops n kerr

    Lucs play was lucs fault. There should be a strategy for Late game inbounds situations and practiced.
     
  18. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Lol ryno with zero points -20 this game, garbage & worst bpm for the last 23 games and luc with the turnover during late game inbounds after the boston debacle you would think mda would have addressed this

    Yet this is loss is hardens fault coz luc picked up his dribble and got his ice cream stolen like a toddler

    Is it hardens fault also that we were down 20 and we had to play catch up more than half of the game?

    If any thing its hardens fault for shooting 1 of 9 from the three thats on him. And who ever let him hoist those shots repeatedly while not calling any alternative looks and plays.
     
  19. Crashlanded19

    Crashlanded19 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2012
    Messages:
    7,815
    Likes Received:
    2,290
    The Bottomline is Cp3 should be running the show late in games when he and james are on the floor. Harden needs to get into off ball scoring mode when he sees Cp3 check in. Not saying James should abandon his playmaking duties. I just think he should be the secondary playmaker when Chris is playing with him. Forcing James the ball late in games makes no sense, especially when we have the best point guard on the roster.
     
    Torn n Frayed likes this.
  20. swyyyguy

    swyyyguy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    8,068
    Likes Received:
    3,323
    i went to dallas and i was at american airlines center wearing red and rooting for the rockets. were were YOU??? will you ever reach my level of rockets fanhood?

    wanna grab a beer at chicas locas???
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now