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Hard data shows affirmative action holding back US progress

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Senator, Jan 26, 2019.

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Are diversity quotas outdated?

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  1. Senator

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    http://www2.itif.org/2016-demographics-of-innovation.pdf


    I've been a fan of of affirmative action and quotas in the past, but it seems outdated now and racist against those who actually create for the country.

    In a global race , you can't give out participation trophies and hope to keep up. The best and brightest aren't meant to sit behind a desk listening to a boss collecting fat paychecks, they are meant to drive forward innovation, progress and sustainable technology.
     
  2. CometsWin

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    I laughed. Good job, good effort.
     
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  3. Senator

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    Think of it like this.

    I get offended with the NBA and claim white people need to be represented better.

    I want quotas instilled and LeBron now has to play with teammates who can't help him win a championship as much as previous teammates. Yes, it's more politically correct, but the lack of skill costs the team, especially when going up against global teams without the quotas.

    The report paints a frightening picture.
     
  4. CometsWin

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    I could think of it like an ignorant dope or I can think of it through the lens of history and context. Not a tough choice. Your desire to continuously ignore history and context in order to create simplistic, false choices is noted.
     
  5. Senator

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    In the lens of history, asians were colonized and forced to undergo indentured servitude. But they are disproportionately doing well in terms of driving forward progress as the stats show. It is a system that is racist against them.
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    Is something wrong with you?

    This study has nothing to do with AA, I pointed this out in the other thread and thought surely...surely he wouldn't use it again...yet here we are...you are yet AGAIN using a study that has nothing to do with affirmative action.

    In fact, it is advocating for MORE diversity and MORE immigration.

    "The report concludes that to boost U.S. innovation, policymakers should broaden and deepen the national pool of STEM talent by improving STEM education and empowering students of all backgrounds to pursue these fields, and by strengthening the pipeline for highly skilled immigrants to work in the United States."

    Get help. Please.
     
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  7. Senator

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    The report analyzes highly educated people. It is not the hs drop out driving forward innovation, but people with extensive education. So yes, it has everything to do with AA when a big goose egg is laid where it counts, despite all the assistance.

    What do you have against merit?
     
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    What assistance? Blacks get the worst public education and you wonder why they aren't becoming innovators? Really?
     
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    Of course Affirmative Action is ridiculous, and stifles efficiency.

    But interestingly, and increasingly, it's not an issue of race -- it's an issue of gender.

    In fact, it's white women that are benefitting from AA:

    "But — and this is a big but — those benefits are more likely to accrue to white women than they are to women of color, and that imbalance has very real effects on employment and earnings later in life. In other words: affirmative action works, and it works way better for white women than it does for all the other women in America."

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/affirmative-action-white-women_us_56a0ef6ae4b0d8cc1098d3a5

    [I know, I know....Muffington Post, but I think this will be born out elsewhere]

    Most welfare type programs are either targeted toward women at the start, or they become subverted to be targeted toward women.

    Such is the nature of our gynocracy.

    People get all upset about the issue of race. But that's not the big issue.
     
  10. No Worries

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    Hard data proves my deepest most politically incorrect view. Hard data, bro.
     
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    I don't think you understand what Affirmative Action is.
    1. It isn't quotas.
    2. It is only mandatory in instances where there is a proven history of racism.
    3. It is voluntarily or encouraged through incentives in other cases.

    Your chart could also show why we need more affirmative action. Imagine how much the chart would change if there wasn't discrimination going against minorities for jobs, promotions, education, etc.
     
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    I don't think he understands what Hard Data is.
     
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    Affirmative action isn't as ubiquitous as racist ****s like you think it is, not in the private employment sector or anywhere in this posting.
     
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    That is ALL it does. You've made a causal relation that simply isn't mentioned in the study at all.

    The chart could be in favor of AA, it could be showing the results of it, we really don't know, it never mentions AA at all in the study or why the numbers are what they are.

    In fact, this is what the study is advocating for...
    This study is saying that MORE should be done for women in minorities...not that we should get rid of AA...it doesn't even mention AA...

    You need some new hard data bro.
     
  15. Senator

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    So you're saying "lack of education" is the problem, when the best and brightest of those educated fall far short of the mark?
     
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    Is AA even common outside of universities? Ive never noticed it in my professional career.
     
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    Yet those who do have STEM and advanced degrees, extensive college educations, aren't creating anything with it. They aren't driving innovation. They are ticking boxes , saying yes to bosses and collecting paychecks.

    You're sayin this will change if the less smart are given more books to read? Shouldn't those leading the way be doing more?

    As expected, you conveniently avoid the fact that the system is very racist against Asians.
     
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    The data you showed doesn't demonstrate what you claim here.
     

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