via the neocons at Gizmodo. [rquoter]This is really scary news: Iran has successfully tested their Sajjil-2 yesterday. Why is this really scary? Because it is a two-stage solid fuel missile, which represents a giant leap in reaching the continental United States. Here's how: Iran already has the Shahab-3, which is capable of reaching Israel and parts of Europe, like the Sajjil-2. But the Shahab-3 uses liquid fuel, which means two things: First, they have to be fueled before launch, something that can be detected by spy satellites, so potential targets can take appropriate countermeasures. Second, the liquid fuel is highly corrosive, greatly affecting the accuracy of the missile by destabilizing it. The Sajjil-2—which is designed to be a weapon payload carrier, not a peaceful space rocket—uses the same kind of solid fuel technology that the United States uses in the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile. That means that they can be perfectly accurate, like the Minuteman III is. But more importantly, these missiles can be safely stored and launched with no preparation or warning. Click the big red button, and the birds are on their way one second later. The new Iranian missile is only a two-stage rocket. That means that they can launch one right now to Israel or Europe, with no warning whatsoever. It also means that, if they add a third stage, they would be able to use these missiles to reach any part of the world, from San Francisco, California, to London, United Kingdom, to New York, New York, that little town blue.[/rquoter]
it would have been nice to have had some influence over them in the previous adminstration, but hey we got those other wmds in iraq so one problem at a time right?
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Except they already tested a solid fuel, two stage Sejil more than a year ago, and this very same Sejil-2 in May. This is what happens, basso, when you get your arms control news from the people that normally spend their time evaluating the newest smart phone or determining what video game you should buy your 8 year old nephew.
And they are both wrong. The primary joke is that you make sure to point out the supposed "neocons" at Gizmodo, but the article is sourced from hardcore Neocons - and Noonan is a retired appeals court justice appointed by Ronald Reagan with no practical arms control or weapons technology experience whatsoever. Clearly, if you were going to find the one person in the world less qualified than the personal electronics geeks at Gizmodo to make judgments about weapons technology, it would be a retired old lawyer with strong ideological opinions whose last tenuous connection to national security work occurred as a legal adviser in 1955.
the AP too? <object classid="clsid27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" id="cs_player" width="425" height="330"><param name="movie" value="http://eplayer.clipsyndicate.com/cs_api/get_swf/3/&pl_id=8178&page_count=5&windows=1&va_id=1217857&show_title=0&auto_start=0&auto_next=0"></param><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://eplayer.clipsyndicate.com/cs_api/get_swf/3/&pl_id=8178&page_count=5&windows=1&va_id=1217857&show_title=0&auto_start=0&auto_next=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="330"></embed></object>
Did you actually watch the story you posted? Maybe you can quote the point in the AP story that talks about it being the first solid fueled missile? I'll save you some time - it doesn't. In fact, you have just provided me with another story that confirms my post indicating that the Sajil missiles have been tested twice in the past. Yet another self pwnage complete.
actually, the video notes the earlier failures, and also notes this is an updated rocket. you seem to have missed that.
When they can destroy the Earth at least 100 times over then call me, otherwise I'll be over here enjoying my MAD times 1000 that I have lived with for the last 50 years.
Was going to say, deterrence seems to have worked quite well. Good thing Obama moved the missile shield to aim it specifically at Iran as well, wise foresight I must say.
Are you even trying anymore? I mean, I know you like to dance around the truth, but this is absurd. It says nothing at all about "failures". That is a total fabrication. The word, and its synonyms are not used at all in the video. I was so shocked that I watched the video again twice, because I really didn't think you'd pull something like that out of your @ss. In fact, it says very clearly that it has been tested twice before. And if you are really going to go to "Plan B", and backpedal to the point that you are now going to complain that it is just "updated", I fully expect a clear repudiation of your fallacious claim that they didn't have a solid fuel two stage Sajil-2 missile that had been successfully test fired before now. BTW, you'll notice that in the story, they go out of their way to say, "Iran claims" with respect to the new upgrades. Universally, the actual real arms control people I've been reading have said that claims of real and meaningful upgrades to performance are suspect.
what about "3rd test" is incompatible w/ 2 prior tests? i'm not even sure what your objection is? are you claiming, based on some inside knowledge of the iranian defense ministry, that either this test didn't take place, or this test was a failure? if your argument is "none of the above, then why do you so casually dismiss what seems to be a successful test of a solid fuel rocket (with all the implications thereof) with a range of a couple thousand kilometers?
Are you ****ing senile? Can you not remember what you posted five minutes ago??? and What part of "earlier failures" or "giant leap" is in any way remotely true? BECAUSE THEY'VE SUCCESSFULY DONE IT TWICE BEFORE! Gee, basso, I heard that Russia has developed a special class of airplanes called bombers! I even heard they successfully tested one during a training exercise last month! OMFG! The threat that Russia poses is so horrible to contemplate! Clearly if they've tested these "bombers", who knows what they could do! These bombers (which have existed for fifty plus years) are a clear act of provocation that we can't stand! We must attack Russia right now! If you are going to try and fear monger about a "new threat", at least do it about something that didn't exist before a week ago. The fact that you didn't know they had them, doesn't mean it didn't exist. The fact that someone else is the source of your wrong information doesn't mean that you get to shrug off that fact or the fact that you decided to champion this "dangerous new situation". This particular "new" threat has existed for a long time irrespective of your attempts to obfuscate and flat out lie since you posted this thread.
not senile, just capable of examining the ur-text: [rquoter]Iran Tests New Version of Missile that Can Reach Europe, Israel By CHIP CUMMINS Iranian state media reported Wednesday that Tehran successfully test-fired an enhanced version of a solid-fuel medium-range missile, as U.S. and Western powers prepare to push for new economic sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program. Iran said it fired an "optimized" version of its Sajjil-2, a medium-range missile capable of hitting Israel, according to Iranian media. Tehran first tested the weapon in May, claiming it marked a significant milestone in its missile-technology efforts. In May, Iran said the Sajjil-2 had a range of 2,000 kilometers, or about 1,200 miles. That would make it capable of reaching Israel and the Black Sea coast of European Union members Romania and Bulgaria, though that isn't different than range capabilities claimed in previous missile launches. Iran said, however, the missile was more sophisticated than earlier models, and propelled by a solid-fuel system, which would make it easier to deploy than liquid-fuel missiles. Iran's state media reported Wednesday the updated version is faster, harder to shoot down and quicker to launch. Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi, Iran's defense minister, said in comments to state media the new weapon was defensive in nature. "Iran's missile capabilities are strictly defensive and at the service of regional peace and stability," Gen. Vahidi said. "They will never be [used] against any country." Iran has a history of conducting war games and unveiling what is says are military innovations during times of international pressure. President Barack Obama has given an end-of-year deadline for progress in talks with Iran over its alleged nuclear ambitions. Washington and other capitals have ratcheted up threats of fresh sanctions as that deadline approaches. The White House said Wednesday's test would increase the international community's resolve. "There's no doubt that, given this environment, missile tests do nothing but undermine the Iranian claims" that its nuclear program has peaceful aims, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters. In October, the U.S., France, Russia and the International Atomic Energy Agency hammered out a tentative deal to exchange uranium with Iran. The pact envisioned Iran shipping out the bulk of its low-enriched uranium. Russia would further enrich it before sending it back to Iran for use in a medical research reactor. But Iran never agreed to the deal. Over the weekend, Iran's foreign minister offered Tehran's clearest counterproposal: to swap a limited amount of its own low-enriched fuel for higher-enriched uranium on the Iranian island of Kish. Western officials dismissed the offer. The U.S. has threatened to unveil fresh, unilateral sanctions if it can't get broader support for United Nations-backed measures. In response to the missile test Wednesday, Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom said there was no need for the U.S. and Europe to wait for a decision in the U.N. Security Council to impose sanctions on Iran, according to Israeli radio. Mr. Shalom called for sanctions to be imposed immediately.[/rquoter] same missile, different fuel. and the Alpha and the Obama thinks you don't know whereof you speak. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126095076216093383.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_world
The fact that you seem to believe that you can change a liquid fuel rocket into a solid fuel rocket simply baffles my mind. If you had the slightest idea what you are talking about... Well, I just say that clearly you are way out of your element here. Its like discussing evolution and cosmology with a Young Earther. The problem is so big I just don't know where to begin.
