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Hanoi Jane Stories True or Not??

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by F.D. Khan, Feb 21, 2003.

  1. F.D. Khan

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    I recieved this email and i'm not sure how accurate it is. I have heard many stories about Jane Fonda in Vietnam, but never this specific.

    She is being nominated for one of the 100 women of the century, though i'm not sure why she qualifies for this.


    Subj: KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICA HONORING A TRAITOR This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

    During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

    They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

    She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

    At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

    This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    I don't know how much of this is true... but she DID go to Vietnam and fraternize with the 'enemy'.... that is well documented.

    So... in several years when Sean Penn is nomated for some 100 Men of the Century award (as if), someone will email around his story of going to Baghdad??
     
  4. Sonny

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    She is hated by many, including me. I think she symbolizes all that was wrong with the hippies/protesters of the 60's/70's. I just can't stand her. Let me say that I have no problem with people expressing their beliefs, but to degrade these soldiers who were drafted into war is horrible. I think that is what I can't stand the most, is that the soldiers who had no say in the matter were treated so badly. It is a disgrace.

    If what the article says is true, that she caused the deaths of three men by turning on them like that, she should be tried for murder.
     
  5. Sonny

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    from the snopes article:

    "It is also undeniable that some American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an outcome she should reasonably have anticipated."

    This really pisses me off.
     
  6. rockHEAD

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    Was she on acid back then or what? Did Peter Fonda dose her or something?
     
  7. Sonny

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    Also this from snopes:

    "Whether the war was right or wrong, those who risked (and gave) their lives fighting it deserve respect, and for Fonda to brand men who were held captive and tortured as "liars" and "hypocrites" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) in order to defend her political views was and is unpardonable. "

    Exactly.

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    nice article here...

    http://www.moorej.org/jane/
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    No **** man, what a b****.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    WOW, it's true!? I always assumed they were made up! Man, she was a psycho.
     
  10. Sonny

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    One of Hanoi Jane's broadcast:

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    http://www.farfromglory.com/janefonda.htm
     
  11. drapg

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    I just read the whole Snopes description of the story.

    Wow. I can't believe I'd never heard this disgusting tale before.

    The part about turning over the SSNs was incredible! I'm shocked.
     
  12. Rocketman95

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    I'd heard about it, just in a general sense though. I'm going through my DVD collection right now to see if I have any of her crap. :)
     
  13. drapg

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    I'm going to tell my mom to throw away her Jane Fonda exercise tapes.

    I grew up in a house where my mom used those tapes ALL the time in the mid 80s. She tried to get me to use them too, since I was a fat kid. However I refused. I feel better about it now!
     
  14. drapg

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    aargh, no edit!

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    These people haunted my dreams in my younger years.
     
  15. Sonny

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    Actually in her defense:

     
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    Twisted b****. :mad:
     
  17. Sonny

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    Exactly. She makes me sick.
     
  18. subtomic

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    The POW story with the slips of paper is reported to be untrue, but that doesn't change the fact that Barbarella campaigned against America and Americans (rather than for peace). While she probably didn't cause the death of anyone, her thoughtlessness and cruelty toward Americans (who probably didn't have much choice whether to go to Vietnam) should disqualify her from any "great" list. I hope she gets a leak in one of her breast implants and keels over.
     
  19. JuanValdez

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    Sonny, thanks for pointing that out so I don't have to. Snopes, unfortunately, has its own spin to things. She says the story is true but goes on to say most of the shocking claims were made up. Seems to me to be more of a "partly true."

    Before anyone accuses me, I'm neither defending Jane Fonda here nor the North Vietnamese. Just want to see some truth in advertising. The story is exxagerated.
     
  20. mateo

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    The "100 Women of the Century" show aired back in 1999. Barbara Walters did it. This email being bounced around is a wee bit dated.
     

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