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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Nook

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    If Russia was THAT concerned with military involvement with the USA, they never would have invaded Ukraine. Russia made a calculated risk the US would stay out of a war - but they knew there was still a risk.
     
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    Here are a few points.

    1. People can talk about ceasefire and hostage release. Hamas has not agreed to any terms of that. A ceasefire requires both sides to agree.

    2. Hamas carried out October 7th but it was possible in part due to a huge security failure of the Netanyahu govt.

    3. Netanyahu now is not facing investigation and being held accountable because of his war time coalition. As soon as the conflict ends, Bibi will have to face the consequences of his government's security failure. He has a vested interest in prolonging the conflict.

    4. Israeli families of the hostages have joined the protests against Bibi.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/31/israel-protests-hostages-families-negotiations/

    5. Israel killed aid workers again. In past conflicts Israel opened collective communication channels to make sure humanitarian aid personnel isn't "accidentally" targeted. Thus far Israel has refused to open these lines of communication. In the 2006 conflict they did open them and they were effective.

    Only now has Israel talked about doing it. It's far too late. Israel could have prevented this had they opened the same types of communication channels they did in the past but have refused to do now. More than 190 aid workers have been killed thus far.

    6. The issues are far more complicated than any Xweet or YouTube can address.

    Hamas took the hostages, killed civilians intentionally, and hasn't agreed to any conditions to release the hostages.

    Israel hasn't used even a previous level of safeguards to protect aid and Aid isn't getting through according to every single aid organization working their. Israeli precision strikes were able to strike right through the World Central Kitchen logo.

    The leader of Israel has a personal incentive for not ending the conflict.

    It is a horrible mess and won't be resolved without new leadership on both sides. Sadly I have heard no idea how to get that done.

    A couple of questions:

    From which side does an aid worker have more to fear?

    With the US continuing to send new military aid packages what incentive does Israel have to be more careful or humanitarian with their policy?
     
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    Of course had they opened the same communication channels they had done previously and which the aid organizations have asked for, it could have been avoided altogether or certainly stopped after the first strike. Israel is at fault for these deaths.
     
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    Difference is that the family didn't reach out to the US govt. for lines of collective communication. The aid organizations have reached out for that and Israel hadn't opened them. Only now are they saying they might do that going forward.
     
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    Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is a state. Israel has done the right thing in the past regarding the communication with aid organization. They have refused to this time and we have more than 190 killed aid workers including those from World Central Kitchen.
     
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...oup-prompts-new-level-of-us-backlash-00150245

    @Nook when Israel loses the USA who do they have left? Seriously?
     
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    Zionist agents really love biting the hand that feeds Israel.

    I'm starting to lose sympathy for these bastards again
     
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    World Central Kitchen is reported to have served more than 350M meals since it was founded. That isn't trivial and looking for reasons to denigrate them via anonymous-ass tweets is a sad look.
     
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    You keep ignoring the fact that Israel refused to open the communication lines which could have presented this. Israel is to blame for the aid workers, not those seeking to deliver aid.

    Also, this is a stupid Xweet. It's trying to use the term "celebrity chef" as an insult... Why? That's not really insulting, especially when the guy is part of an organization that has done so much good.
     
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    Don't worry - Israel is NOT losing USA

    especially when Trump gets re elected - can't wait for this joke of a president Biden gets kicked to the curb as he should
     
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    Maybe if the Biden admin was more understanding of the existential threat to Israel posed by a militarized Gaza and instead of "don't go into Rafah" to take out the last stronghold of Hamas- they should have been taken a more active part and how to get this done as soon as possible - maybe then Israel would've had a more open communication instead of the antagonistic jabs at Israel
     
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    Yeah if this is the line that apologists for the IDF are going to take it’s going to backfire.
     
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    You do know they even though Biden has been critical of Israel he hasn’t cut funding and even sought increased funding for Israel.
     
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    wow. just when i think you couldnt be more of a low-life you post something like this.
     
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