1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    Truth hurts, huh? Sorry you're triggered. Face the facts, kid. It's 100% on Biden.
     
  2. astros123

    astros123 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    9,669
    Likes Received:
    6,903
    Whata the truth? Not one Dollar has been transferred to Iran. Not one. Iran sold close to 100 billion of oil last year. You're a moron nd that's rhe truth



    Israelis know it's bibi fault. You're a dipshit moron. You parrot whatever you hear on right wing circles. You're scum and nothing more
     
    LosPollosHermanos likes this.
  3. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    11,781
    Likes Received:
    16,488
    Typical conservatives blaming others when it suits them.

    Gun store sells guns to folks, they go commit crimes, are the gun store to b blamed for those crimes? Fk no.

    Even if biden sells sht or gives money and an act like this occur why is biden being blamed?

    Like I said conservatives like blaming stuff when it suits them.

    Bringing up blood on his own hands nonsense.
     
    FranchiseBlade and astros123 like this.
  4. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    30,984
    Likes Received:
    14,511
    the videos that are going to come out of Hamas treatment of these women and children hostages will make ISIS videos look positively tame

    whatever misplaced sympathy any outsiders had for the plight of Palestinians will vanish

     
  5. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
  6. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
    to be fair, he's had blood on his hands for some time.

    also, drool.
     
  7. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
  8. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
  9. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
  10. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
    https://www.thefp.com/p/today-is-israels-911

    Today Is Israel’s 9/11

    The terrorists went house to house. They maimed. They murdered. They mutilated.

    By Noah Pollak

    October 7, 2023

    I am going to describe the images coming out of Israel over the last 12 hours. I don’t want to believe any of them are real, because they are horrifying, among the most gruesome scenes of mutilation, murder, and abduction imaginable. But there is now going to be a war between Israel and Hamas—and possibly a broader regional war. Israel will invade Gaza. As we speak, Israelis my age are being called up to war. Some of them are my friends.

    Within two or three days, the media narrative will change, as it does every time, and the grisly invasion that started the war quickly will be minimized into a half sentence of euphemistic dishonesty in press accounts (“an incursion by Gaza-based militants”) so that the focus can turn to prosecuting Israel.

    This is part of why everyone needs to know about the images—the ones you won’t see if you turn on MSNBC or the BBC today. Because so much of the media and Western foreign policy officialdom do not want to embarrass the Palestinians by showing the sadistic brutality of Hamas. They do not want to undermine the coming effort to pressure Israel to stop fighting. They do not want people to notice the Iranian role in the war and how it is fueled by an appallingly dangerous Biden administration policytoward the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism.

    So that is why you need to know.

    When Hamas invaded Israel this morning, terrorists streamed across the border in pickup trucks, by motorcycle, on foot, and even on paragliders. Once inside Israel, they abducted and murdered Israelis. They shot people in cars and at bus stops, they rounded up women and children into rooms like Einsatzgruppen—yes, the comparison is appropriate—and machine-gunned them. They went house to house to find and murder civilians hiding in their closets, and they dragged the bloody, dead bodies of Israelis back into Gaza where they are now being paraded, beaten, and mutilated in front of exultant crowds.

    One young woman was murdered and stripped to her underwear, and her corpse was thrown in the back of a pickup truck so it could be paraded around Gaza while young Hamas men beat and mutilated her body.

    <snip>

    ll Israeli towns and kibbutzim near the Gaza border were turned into scenes reminiscent of ISIS in Syria, with gangs of terrorists riding through the streets in pickup trucks shooting anything that moved. And then there are the Israelis who have been abducted and taken to Gaza as hostages. How many of them, dead and alive, are there? We don’t know, but if the number of appalling videos and heartbreaking social media posts from people looking for missing family members are anything to go by, the figure is without precedent in Israeli history.

    <snip>

    Today is Israel’s 9/11. It feels strange to say this about a country where terrorist attacks have been a regular feature of national life, and I’m conscious of the tendency to over-Americanize events in the Middle East, but it really is the right analogy.

    Just as in pre-9/11 America, Israel has been consumed by domestic controversies while assuming the world beyond was, if not stable, at least predictable. Just as in the U.S., Israel has been caught completely by surprise. And, just as in America on 9/11, Israeli families are searching desperately for any news about their missing loved ones. But these are only the small similarities. The horror is highly cinematic. This is almost certainly the highest civilian casualty from a single attack in Israel’s history, just as 9/11 was for the U.S.

    The meaningful similarity is the feeling of national humiliation, vulnerability, and fear provoked by the attack: the most powerful country in the Middle East, with an intelligence service that can assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists at will, with F-35s and spy satellites, was just bested by men who simply jogged across the border with rifles. Americans after 9/11 did not feel that their country was weak—we felt the bewilderment and rage of vulnerability despite our strength. This is what Israelis are feeling today.

    I have been up all night on group chats with my old friends in Israel, most of them IDF veterans, and their mood is grim and outraged, with much of the anger directed toward their own leaders.

    As the story evolved from rocket attacks to border incursion to invasion to hostage-taking to ISIS roaming the city of Sderot, we felt waves of the kind of disbelief mixed with horror I hadn’t felt since seeing the Twin Towers collapse live on television. The questions this attack poses are very simple: How could this happen? How did Israeli authorities fail so completely?

    The result of this war will probably be legacy-defining for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He presided over several rounds of conflict with Hamas and was always reluctant to topple the group, kill its leaders, or get pulled into a prolonged stay in Gaza. Israel has now been dragged into Gaza, and it is indisputably due in part to strategic choices Netanyahu made in the past.

    But the accounting of what went wrong will come later. Right now, there is a war to fight. While we don’t yet know the full scope of its objectives—overthrow Hamas and reoccupy Gaza? Disarm Hamas and leave? Bomb and fight for a few weeks and agree to another cease-fire?—no Israeli government that wants to stay in power can treat this like the past 15 years of Gaza conflicts.

    There also needs to be an accounting here in America of our role in setting the table for this disaster. Today should mark the end of the Biden administration’s dishonorable effort to reenter the Iran nuclear deal and its string of disgraceful and one-sided concessions to Hamas’s biggest backer.

    Biden gave Iran access to frozen money, most recently $6 billion that had been frozen in South Korean banks. Since the administration came into office, it has been pouring money into Gaza aid projects knowing well that Iran’s client terrorist group, Hamas, is fully in control of the territory and would benefit from the help. In fact, Biden officials put in writing, in recently leaked documents, that they knew Hamas would benefit from the money they were sending. They sent it anyway.

    This assault on Israel is in many ways more psychologically shocking than the Egyptian and Syrian surprise attack during Yom Kippur in 1973. Back then, the fighting was conventional and took place on Israel’s borders, far out on the Golan and in the Sinai. There were no Syrian and Egyptian terrorists machine-gunning civilians in the streets of Israeli cities or dragging bloodied women and children across the border.

    This is why Israel’s response is likely to be very different than it has been in every previous round of fighting. For 15 years, Hamas has been well aware that Israeli strategy has not sought an end to its rule over Gaza. This is why we never saw the IDF raid the basement of Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, which functions as Hamas headquarters during conflict, and it’s why we’ve never seen the Mossad assassinate Hamas leaders who live openly, and in luxury, in Doha as admired guests of Qatar’s government. This principle—keep Hamas in power so Israel doesn’t end up having to rule Gaza—which Israeli governments have always refrained from stating plainly, has been the defining feature of the conflict since 2008.

    But now 9/11 has happened. It is hard to see how Israelis will accept the continued presence of an Iranian terror group in Gaza. It is hard to see how Israel, or the region, goes back to normal. As on 9/11, the world changed today.
     
    AroundTheWorld likes this.
  11. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    47,401
    Likes Received:
    16,965
    Part of me wonders how/why the Israeli citizenry isn't more armed.

    I think if I were living that close to terrorists I'd be packing some heat.
     
    Surfguy and AroundTheWorld like this.
  12. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
    from the Abraham Accords to medieval warfare in three short years.

    #****joebiden
     
  13. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378
  14. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2022
    Messages:
    1,013
    Likes Received:
    626
    This Exiled should be banned from CC.
     
    tinman, basso and AroundTheWorld like this.
  15. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    your cursing and insults are revealing of your weak logic position. Let’s keep this forum civil, please. You’ll get only this single warning before I put you on my ignore list, as I won’t engage with those who can only respond with insults and cursing.
     
    tinman, Bandwagoner and basso like this.
  16. astros123

    astros123 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    9,669
    Likes Received:
    6,903
    Please go ahead and put me on the ignore list. Ill take it as a badge of honor. Thank you

    Any moron who thinks Hamas attacking Israel is somehow on biden is a ****ing moron and nothing less
     
    #56 astros123, Oct 8, 2023
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2023
    Surfguy likes this.
  17. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2022
    Messages:
    1,013
    Likes Received:
    626
    This Exiled should be banned from CC.
    CF
     
    basso likes this.
  18. mtbrays

    mtbrays Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    7,685
    Likes Received:
    6,451
    This is a partisan stretch. As far as we know, no countries that recently established relations with Israel were a part of this. Notice how they're not militarily rushing to the Palestinians' defense either like they have in the past.

    I've got family who work in geopolitics and they've been saying for years that we've been on a slow road to a "third intifada". This isn't a result of the Biden administration somehow undermining Israel's newly-normalized relations with its neighbors; it's too early to react in such a single-mindedly partisan way.
     
  19. Ubiquitin

    Ubiquitin Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Messages:
    17,467
    Likes Received:
    11,956
    Hamas attacking Israel has 0 to do with the United States. The only political blame is how the current Israeli government missed this and it may prove to be either be incompetence or more likely stroke of fortune for Hamas and had a 1 in a million chance to succeed and would never succeed again.
     
  20. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,689
    Likes Received:
    6,378

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now