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Hakeem would *definitely* average 25 to 27 ppg in today's NBA

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by plutoblue11, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. plutoblue11

    plutoblue11 Member

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    I was told to start my own thread on the subject.

    Again, in competition with other big men in the league, Hakeem would be a superior offensive player. There is no (center or pf) player in the league right now who can compare to Hakeem Olajuwon. Offensively, and very much not defensively. His shooting range is comparable to Amar'e, skill set is far beyond Gasol's (yet also being more athletic, powerful, and driven), while also being just athletically gifted as Kevin Garnett.

    Even with fronting and zone defenses, Akeem would still manage to score 25 ppg.

    Dream would toast every single center in the league right now, Okur, Gasol, Bynum, Dampier, or anyone else. If Mutombo and Mourning couldn't stop him, none of these other players would stand chance against him, unless they resort to their usual flopping and getting phantom calls from refs (which would probably happen, especially if he didn't play on any of these overrated darling teams).

    Fronting would only work against with a team that had great defense, like the 1994 Knicks, even at that it didn't really work, since they really didn't slow him down.
     
  2. Ashes

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    Yeah, easily.
     
  3. ibm

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    i hear you. but this kind of what-if is near impossible to prove. let's just say we all have our opinions. "definitely" is a bit strong.
     
  4. pmac

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    Olajuwon's range was not comparable to Amare, I like the Gasol comparison (but obviously, more athletic and powerful).

    I understand the arguments that his scoring might go down with zone defenses but i think it evens out when you consider the crop of centers in the league right now is MUCH weaker.
     
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    Fixed.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    He just might, but he didn't do well against the fronting defense of the Sonics because of their zone, so he might not as well.

    Yao would certainly play better against the old rules....

    I think Hakeem's quickness would allow him to adapt, but Yao's height would allow him to be much better under those old rules too....

    DD
     
  7. plutoblue11

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    I understand.


    But, my reasoning for that is look at this way.


    We take who the media regards at the best centers and big men, more new age big men, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Andrew Bynum, Marcus Camby, Mehmet Okur, Ben Wallace, and Chris Kaman.

    I left Shaq and Yao for a reason.

    Most of the players I named above, from what I have seen over the last 5 years, basically can't guard Shaq one-on-one or even slow him down. Remember, this is over the hill Shaq, not mid 90s version or the Lakers version of him.

    A good number of them can't even slow Yao Ming down , even Dwight Howard, he has only outplayed Yao, like one time in his career. Especially, if officiating is fair and not thrown off by phantom calls and flopping.

    In a sense, Olajuwon is within these players' generation, he only retired in 02, I believe. We could reference Dream circa 96-99, at that point where he was definitely in decline, but still a very good center by today's standard. Those players, like Duncan, Bynum, and Camby couldn't remotely slow him down or dominating, if Mutombo and Mourning couldn't stop this guy.

    Olajuwon would put up 40 ppg against Okur, Gasol, and Dampier.


    I promise you, if Hakeem on any halfway decent team in the NBA, maybe team hovering around .500 to possibly the 5th seeded team in either conference. THat team would instantly jump to contender status. I think Hakeem was so good that he would make that team good enough to beat or the Lakers or Cavs in series.
     
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    I think he would easily be the best center today and crushing opponents. Who knows what he would average? Anywhere from 25 to 30 points, a truck load of blocks, enough rebounds to fill the Toyota Center, lots of assists. You get the idea.

    He would adapt to today's game.
     
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    what were his exact averages against the sonics? I always hated when we played them. :mad:
     
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    Just look at all the teams without a real center, Hakeem would "Dominate" the so called centers of today. True enough it's just the direction the game has gone to more of a up and down tempo instead of the half court setup that has caused teams to go with a smaller center.
     
  11. Ziggy

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    I am not sure what you are getting at... are you implying todays game is considered harder for big men to score? Or easier because the talent is weaker? I am completely confused as to the point being made.
     
  12. plutoblue11

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    I do understand that fronting would limit him, but remember Seattle had a top notch defense. I know in the 96-97, they held him 12.24 ppg (47.1 FG%) and they probably did as good as anyone for the job to slow down Hakeem. I don't think they could slow him down as people would like to believe. It was also them slowing down the other players, too.

    Unlike Supersonics or Knicks, the teams that front Yao are usually very poor on defense (except the Spurs) and sporadically play good defense. Also, remember, Dream is more able to outmaneuver some of these players and even take better care of the ball when gets it.

    Again, just imagine, if Hakeem, circa 91-94 landed on this years' Trailblazers, Bobcats, or even Nets teams. Or even this what, if he played PF next to Yao Ming. The Rockets would be unstoppable.
     
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    Well actually, this is from the Yao Ming thread about how he could average 20-10 for the rest of season.

    Well, basically, it was said that Olajuwon couldn't average the same kind of the numbers in today's leagues, because of certain rules, like zone defenses being allowed (illegal defense, previously), 3 in the key rules, flopping, and refs officiating a less physical game than in the past.

    Other posters, including myself basically, said Olajuwon would still be the same dominating center he was in 80s and 90s, but even better because of weaker competition.
     
  14. ibm

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    when dream played, it was indeed an era of great centers. but other than himself, shaq, ewing, drob, mourning and the likes, there were still other some 20 teams that did have a center. if dream can easily put up 40 consistently over the most of these centers, his actual avg. would've been a lot higher than we've seen.
     
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    After thinking about it a bit....

    I think Hakeem would get his same numbers with today's rules or the old rules.

    However, Yao would improve a LOT based upon the old rules.

    DD
     
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    He would in the playoffs. :D
     
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    I actually think so, too. I could see Yao, during the 80s or 90s putting up numbers which slightly better than Mourning's and Parrish's.

    Around 21-22 ppg and 9 to 11 rebs.

    I could even see some all-star calibur centers struggling against Yao for his size and skills alone. Remember, he is a much more physical presence in the paint than say Smits or even Daughterty.

    I think very few centers, not named Shaquille O'Neal could outmuscle him.
     
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    You have to remember that Dream kinda coasted in the regular season so I don't know if he would have averaged more than he does now but I know he would totally abuse Gasol and Okur in the playoffs.

    You have to also remember that defenses adjust to the play of the center. How many times during a game does Yao get single covered. Does he ever get triple teamed like Dream did. Dream created more wide open looks for his teammates.

    The big question is how many points Jordan, Drexler, and Wilkens would have averaged with the current hand check rules. Tim Hardaway and Kevin Johnson would have made Deron Williams and Chris Paul look very average.
     
  19. ibm

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    quite possible. i've always thought that the hand check rule change, along with legalizing the zone, was a shame. it just tells me the nba isn't as good as it used to be. either that, or stern is so desperate trying to up the scoring to attract more fans.

    i hate the over-emphasis on athleticism of today's nba. this is a BALL game and a ball game requires some skills for it to be enjoyable. otherwise people can go watch track and field (another sport i like very much).
     
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    For regular season, it depends on how good or bad his team would be. If his team was winning despite him getting big numbers, I think he would have been content.

    The real beast would come out in playoffs. With all the pseudo-centers floating around in the "gone small ball" league, he would be putting up some crazy numbers in playoffs.

    Centers of Western playoff teams:

    Andrew Bynum
    Oberto/Thomas
    Nene
    Pryzbilla
    Okur
    Chandler
    Dampier

    Those are some really weak centers, some of them complete garbage, which Hakeem would have feasted on, especially a playoffs Hakeem who has won battles against top centers in NBA history such as David Robinson, Shaq, and Ewing.

    Also, keep in mind that back then defensive players could use both hands to uproot a post player.
     

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