Hakeem Olajuwon is not walking through that door people!...... Oh... Hey Dream.

Achebe,
In that deal you forgot to mention Orlando. See, we'd have gotten Penny Hardaway in a 3 way deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we would still have been able to scoop up Francis.
With that said, and with due respect to Hakeem, loyalty isn't worth giving up a legitimate title run. Please retire Hakeem and free up needed cap room in the offseason so your team can succeed in the next season and the free agent market!

 

Andre Miller is not a better pg than Stevie.
I live in Ohio and catch Cavs games and there is no way Andre is better that Steve at this stage. I love Miller, he has a tough game , but there is no comparison.

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We would like to get rookie Francis on the break for some easy scoops in the first quarter...

 

NotChaney,
When somebody says that Andre Miller is a better point guard than Steve Francis, they don't mean better player; they just mean better pg. Andre Miller is a mold of Mark Jackson with better speed and slashing ability. I would rather have Miller at the point than Francis, with Francis at the two. Stevie is too goddamned turnover prone. It just pisses me off. If he learns to handle the ball and to distribute the ball better (less stupid passes aka New Jersey game), then I'll pass on Miller. But Steve Francis is falling out of my favor for the time being.

 

Thanks pass1stshoot2nd, I understand completely.
Steve is a better ball handler, hands down. Francis is faster and creates more.Steve has a better shot. Francis has more steals and more free throws.
Miller is tough, I don't see the superiority.

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We would like to get rookie Francis on the break for some easy scoops in the first quarter...

 

I have a question for those who wished we'd traded Dream or that he'd retire.

If Hakeem wasn't here and we sucked, who would you blame then?

A.) Francis
B.) Rudy T.
C.) Les Alexander
D.) Hakeem
E.) Fans like yourself who don't appreciate a great player when you have one

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I have a dream.........his name's Hakeem.

 

Dreamer since Dream is here and we suck who do you blame:

A) Dream
B) Scottie
C) Chuck
D) Rudy
E) Les

Dreamer I understand your loyalty and I admire it, but it is tough to pass on an opprtunity that was presented to us last year. I think you can break down the Dream trade into 2 different camps: the loyalists and the opportunists (great just what we needed two more camps in Rocket World). I would definetely look at any opportunity that could make my team better. I do understand how you feel about Dream, but I will honestly say I would have made the trade.

 

Dreamer,
Hindsight's 20/20, right? Well, Penny Hardaway should be in pin stripes right now. I am a Hakeem fan. But fan loyalty can only go so far. How ,ong do we hold on to Hakeem? Do we keep paying him as long as he wants to play, or do we let him run his contract out (one more season to go), or do we (inc. you) encourage him to retire after the season? We would have been and would be better off if we'd have pulled the trigger on the three way deal with Orlando and Toronto. Period. I'm not saying that we should take Hakeem to the glue factory of behind the barn to put him out of his misery,but I'm all about talking him into retiring and avoiding having to pay that 14 million or so next season to him.
As far as your question goes about placing blame if we sucked and Hakeem wasn't here, I guess I'd blame Penny Hardaway. But at least I'd feel like we tried to get better.

 

I just don't want the Dream
to go out like Jabbar.
[The Lakers from all accounts
had to force him out. make him take the
Farewell tour.]

Jabbar was kinda pitiful in his last year
Hard to watch. He got his numbers but
he got 'Jabbar Calls' [later replace with
'jordan' calls] from the officials.

I doubt there will be many Hakeem Calls. I
hate to see him weezing up and down the court
I understand it's the lung infection thing
But I would hope next year he is 100% to go out
on top.

QUESTION:
How far does loyalty go?
If Dream wants a 5 year extention or he'll
play else where . . .Do we HONOR THAT?
for loyalty?

I say No.


Rocket River
HUGE DREAM/ROCKET FAN

 

For the love of god I can't believe another thread discussing this subject has surfaced.

Pass 1st Shoot 2nd: - Hakeem retiring WILL NOT FREE UP CAP ROOM. PERIOD.

Shame on Hakeem for not wanting to be traded to the raptors for the good of the Rockets.

Everyone was all over Barkley showing US loyalty when he signed for 1 mil to get pippen, but some people still find it abhorrent that we should show our greatest player EVER some loyalty.

 

achebe,

I need to take you to a game. When you get bored, you get dangerous.

 

What if Hakeem didn't show loyalty and left in the early ninties?

no championships
no Hakeem trade is possible
no shandon Anderson
no Clyde Drexler
no cluchcity.net

Achebe are you upset with Pippen leaving?

Loyalty breeds loyalty. The Franchise needs to see that the franchise is loyal.

 

Joe Joe-
Good question about loyalalty. Here is something to think about, Who should a franchise be loyal to: Loyal to the fans to put the best product possible on the court, loyal to the players, or loyal to the owners to maximize profits (or minimize losses)?
The loyalty to the players is only a small peice of the puzzle.

 

Kevin Willis? What is he doing now?

Andre Miller a better, much better PG than Stevie? Let me tell you, I am a huge Utah, Majerus, Miller, and Van Horn fan. But that statement is so off base. And the fact that you said Miller has a well rounded offense was comical as well. He was unstoppable at times in college. He passes well, drives well with average quickness, and is a smart player. But his range is very suspect (except in the rookie game when he hit 3 threes).

 

Who cares whether or not we'd suck? He WILL retire a Rocket and I'm happy with that. Tough t*tties to those who can only *wish* that he be traded, 'cause it aint gonna happen. Thanks, RudyT!

 

Earth to Joe Joe: Hakeem at one point demanded a trade when he was a dispute with the old owner. It wasn't until some smoke was blown up his ass that he decided to stay and settle things with management. He almost went to Philly. Are you saying that we should keep Hakeem when he sucks because he stayed here when he was great? That's nuts. When things were going well, both sides benefited. Now only one side is getting the benefit of the bargain. Hindsight 20/20 says Penny over Dream. My grandpa might have taught me how to drive to the hole as a kid, but that doesn't mean he deserves to start on my team.

p.s. I realize I just came off rude,
and I'm sorry. I just saw a way around
your loyalty argument and ran wild with
it.

 

Davo,
I almost forgot to point out that we paid Chuck 9 million for a sacrifice of his market value the pervious season. Before Chuck's injury, he was earning his pay. Hakeem went down earlier than Chuck, and just recently came back, so I'll hold off on a qualitative remark about his performance and pay for it until a later time. But loyalty is expensive if PRESENT performance in not given.