RealGM okays the deal; how about you guys? Hakeem and Los for Matumbo and DerMarr. Neither Hakeem nor Los will be here long anyway. Having Hakeem a Hawk helps Atlanta acquire their native son Shareef eventually. Matumbo is an IronMan; perhaps a center like Cato (all D no O) will speed along Cato's development and be less disruptive in our substitution pattern. Rudy and CD always wanted DerMarr-- now we get him. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com
...good? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com
no, not good. Hakeem doesn't want to play for Vancouver. He would like to live there. No guarantee that Vancouver wants Dream either. Mutumbo is a FA after this year too, so why wouldn't Vancouver want Dike instead of Hakeem? Why would Atlanta give up Demarr? Why would Atlanta want Los when they have Wright and Henderson. Good deal for Houston, stupid deal for Atlanta. ------------------ snap crackle pop
This deal makes no sense for the Hawks and is completely one sided towards the Rockets. First off, DerMarr Johnson is one of the key building blocks in Atlanta and is not going to be traded as a throw in for some deal like this. The Hawks probably want to deal Mutombo but to get younger not older. Mutombo at this stage is considered a more valuable player than Olajuwon even if we as Rockets fans refuse to see it. Also, how would getting Olajuwon help the Hawks get Rahim? The whole pt for the Grizz is to get a player like Olajuwon or Mutombo to clear cap room and then in addition get draft picks to add young players in the future. Your reasoning here is skipping about twenty steps of logic b/c the Hawks getting Olajuwon then in addition acquiring Rahim is completely unrealistic unless you live in NewGuy's world of fantasy dreamcasting where you can unload a bunch of trash players for Rahim. The Hawks should be able to make a bid for Rahim, but I think it will take something along the lines of Mutombo and an unprotected #1 this summer. That way, the Grizz would be able to draft a top 7 player this summer who would likely become a stud to add to a nucleus of Bibby, Dickerson, Swift and then either sign and trade Mutombo or simply renounce him and wipe 10 mil from the payroll. The Rockets could possibly one up them if they are willing to take on Big Continent Reeves albatross contract. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Supposedly Shareef and Hakeem are buds; that's how it helps the Hawks to land Shareff in the near future. Who cares how the players feel. What has DerMarr done to be considered a building block of the franchise. Houston has certainly given up on their #1s historically. Why can't Hotlanta commit the same foible? The question really is would YOU do it, not will Atlanta or Houston do it! ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com
RichRocket: If Shareef wanted to be traded to the Hawks it would more likely be to play close to home than to be on the same team as his "buddy" Hakeem for half a season. No deal favors the Rockets if we would have to get rid of Hakeem. He deserves the chance to finish his basketball career where he started it in 1980 ------------------
Not just half a season; Hakeem has indicted that he may wish to continue playing. Having Hakeem, without a doubt, would make Atlanta a more attractive option for Shareef because of the supposed admiration. And I believe I read that he is from Atlanta, though he played at Cal. Except for DerMarr, these are all players who have indicted an interest in being elsewhere, therefore exact equivalencies of fair value can go out the window. I say move Hakeem and get something for the future for him. This is business not idol worship. I bet Hakeem would say the same thing-- in fact, I think he has! ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited January 04, 2001).]
Atlanta would be crazy if they traded Johnson. ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
Ok great, so I guess since DerMarr Johnson hasnt dominated for the first half of his rookie yr he should be unloaded as fodder. Why doesnt the rest of the top 10 completely unload their picks also; they arent All Stars yet right? Lets completely ignore that Johnson was expected to be brought along slowly since he left college extremely early. Lets completely disregard the other teams when creating fantasy trades, sounds even smarter. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Shareef is from Atlanta. That would probably be the most attractive thing about the Hawks to him. However, because this is not a free agent move we're talking about, he doesn't really have too much of a choice about where he goes. ------------------
Mmanal: It happens; young guys get jettisoned all the time. I remember when the Rockets cut James Silas to keep John Egan. We "lost" John Lucas to acquire an aged Rick Barry. There is plenty of rumbling here to throw out Collier and Langhi (sentiments that I disagree with). We also got rid of Robert Horry and Sam Cassell for an aging Charles Barkley. We would be better off down the road had we not done that deal. Now, I admit, Sir Charles was fun to have around but did he advance the francise on the floor? I think not. I believe that Henderson is a SF and Wright is a PF and DerMarr is probably a SF who can swing to SG. So my trade proposal is, in essence, a C for a C and a PF for a SF who is not much smaller in any way you measure it. I'm not saying that Atlanta should dump DerMarr but might they be induced to do so? Okay, throw in Walt.... ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited January 05, 2001).]
Just b/c other teams have done stupid things in the past, I guess that means the Hawks will, thats brilliant logic. The Hawks want Rahim, but I think they will just deal directly with the Grizz. No way does a young team like the Hawks start moving its building blocks. Also, just b/c some posters want Collier and Langhi gone does not make it right. They arent central building blocks like DerMarr Johnson is to the Hawks but they still should be kept long term b/c of how well they fit the system. I just dont see the Hawks giving up DJ but time will tell. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Manal: When was stupidity outlawed?!? Your supposition is that the Rockets are the only team to do stupid things. Are you a fan? The stupidity is usually identified by retrospection. If the Rockets can give up on Silas, Lucas, Cassell, and Horry; I guess the Hawks can give up on DerMarr. Wouldn't you like for them to? How many titles have the Hawks won? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited January 05, 2001).]
I wouldn't say the rockets gave up on cassell and horry, I would say they were coming off of having been swept out of the playoffs by seattle and had the opportunity to acquire one of the best power forwards to ever play the game. ------------------
But Sam and Horry were at the outset of their careers and Barkley near the end of his. Who of you here would pull the trigger on that trade again? I don't think we lost because of Cassell and Horry. If we had held onto Otis Thorpe..... ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. www.FlashAdvantage.com
