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Great piece about the Bush haters

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bamaslammer, Oct 19, 2003.

  1. bamaslammer

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    I really like this piece, because I've pondered why Bush is treated like the anti-Christ by the Left.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A46805-2003Oct18?language=printer


    A Dislike Unlike Any Other?
    Writer Jonathan Chait Brings Bush-Hating Out of the Closet
    By Howard Kurtz
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, October 19, 2003; Page D01


    The words tumble out, the hands gesture urgently, as Jonathan Chait explains why he hates George W. Bush.

    It's Bush's radical policies, says the 31-year-old New Republic writer, and his unfair tax cuts, and his cowboy phoniness, and his favors for corporate cronies, and his heist in Florida, and his dishonesty about his silver-spoon upbringing, and, oh yes, the way he walks and talks.

    For some of his friends, Chait says at a corner table in a downtown Starbucks, "just seeing his face or hearing his voice causes a physical reaction -- they have to get away from the TV. My sister-in-law describes Bush's existence as an oppressive force, a constant weight on her shoulder, just knowing that George Bush is president."

    Has this unassuming man in a rumpled sports shirt lifted the lid on a boiling caldron of anti-Bush fury in liberal precincts across America? Or is he just an overcaffeinated, irrational liberal, venting to a minority of like-minded readers?

    Ramesh Ponnuru, a soft-spoken conservative at National Review, pays Chait a backhanded compliment, writing that "not everyone would be brave enough to recount their harrowing descent into madness so vividly."

    Ponnuru calls him "smart, funny and completely misguided." Since the president is so likable, he says, the outbreak of Bush hatred "just makes you scratch your head."

    Chait, a doctor's son from suburban Detroit, obviously didn't create the Bush-bashing debate. But his recent "Bush Hatred" cover story helped bring the subject out of the closet, where it can be dissected and diagnosed as part of the lefties-are-from-Mars, right-wingers-are-from-Venus shoutfest.

    Hatred, of course, is such an unpleasant word. Some afflicted with the condition would describe it as being steamed, ticked, appalled, revolted or otherwise fed up with Bush. But the salient characteristic is the scowling intensity of these feelings, particularly for liberals who despair that the other side controls the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court.

    Mainstream journalism, with its traditional parameters, has somehow failed to connect with the notion that there are lots of Americans who walk around sputtering about Dubya -- despite fairly healthy approval ratings for a third-year incumbent. The press was filled with stories about Clinton-haters, but Bush-hating is either more restrained or more out of control, depending on who's keeping score.

    A spate of liberal books are smacking the president around: David Corn's "The Lies of George W. Bush"; "Bushwhacked," by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose; Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling"; Joe Conason's "Big Lies"; and Al Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." (These, of course, follow a flood of best-selling conservative books by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Bernard Goldberg and others.)

    The war in Iraq is a key factor. Corn, the Nation's Washington bureau chief, says he pitched his book in the spring of 2002 and his agent got no nibbles. But when he submitted a one-paragraph outline last October, during the run-up to the war, six publishing houses asked to see him immediately, and he had offers the next day.

    "Having uninformed hatred of anybody is probably not a good thing," Corn says. "But if you have reason to believe the president of the United States is lying to you about significant matters, then you have damn good reason to be damn upset."

    The other side is getting upset as well. David Brooks, the former Weekly Standard writer who recently became a New York Times columnist, took vigorous exception to Chait's piece, writing that "the quintessential new warrior scans the Web for confirmation of the president's villainy. . . . The core threat to democracy is not in the White House, it's the haters themselves."

    "I get the feeling that some Democrats had so much hatred for Bush that they had no hatred left over for Saddam," Brooks says in an interview. "Conversely, some Republicans had so much hatred for Clinton they could never bring themselves to support some of the good things he did."

    But, he admits, "I wish I'd been more critical during the Clinton years. I was reluctant to attack people I liked." Brooks calls Chait a good journalist, but adds: "After you say you hate the way Bush walks and talks, you can never again ask readers to trust your judgment on anything involving Bush."

    The New Republic's editor complained in a letter to the Times that Brooks had ignored Chait's substantive arguments against Bush. And Chait says that gee, by the way, Republicans set a "perjury trap" and impeached a popular Democrat, and yet "suddenly it's time to declare president-hating out of bounds."

    Such attitudes draw a chuckle from Laura Ingraham, a conservative radio talk show host whose new book is called "Shut Up and Sing: How Elites From Hollywood, Politics and the UN are Subverting America."

    "What drives them nuts is that people actually like Bush," she says. "Even if they disagree with him, they think he's a good person." But for many liberals, "Bush isn't just wrong, he's evil. The axis of evil for these guys is George Bush, Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld."

    The debate inevitably slams into reverse by examining the antipathy for all things Clintonian (Ingraham, for instance, wrote a highly critical book on Hillary). After all, the libs say, Bill Clinton was accused by his feverish foes of such absurdities as murder and drug-running, and denounced by more mainstream Republicans, such as Indiana Rep. Dan Burton, who once called Clinton a "scumbag" and reenacted the Vince Foster shooting with a pumpkin. But as National Review's Byron York points out, one far-left Web site accuses the Bush family of involvement in hundreds of deaths, while others liken the president to Hitler (you can order a Bush T-shirt with a swastika in place of the "s") or just call him an idiot (Toostupidtobepresident.com). York also notes that Sheldon Drobny, who is arranging financing for a liberal talk radio network, has alleged online that the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, did business with the Third Reich but that "as in any fascist regime, the press is prevented from publishing it."

    Fringe Web sites aside, liberals insist that Bush-bashing is "different from Clinton-hating and Nixon-hating," as Hendrik Hertzberg, senior editor of the New Yorker, puts it. The reason: It's not personal, in the way that conservatives saw Clinton "as a '60s hippie and hated him for that."

    Hertzberg, whose friends openly disdain the commander in chief -- "The phrase 'President Bush' hurts their eardrums" -- is among those who proudly refuse to Get Over the high court's ruling in Bush v. Gore.

    "Bush lost in the vote of the people, and his legitimacy is hard to accept," he says. "Having lost the popular vote, he took no account of the special circumstances of his election and governed as if there was a popular mandate for the whole program of the hard right."

    Why, then, did Florida quickly fade as a journalistic issue? "The media did not want to face the idea that we had an illegitimately installed president," Hertzberg says. "That's too big a piece of bad news that shakes too many kinds of civic faith."

    Others are fuming not so much about the recount as about Bush's self-portrait as a compassionate conservative. "In 2000 the press did a historically awful job" of exposing the gap between Bush's soothing rhetoric and his conservative record, Chait says.

    One of the few points of agreement is that Bush has done to the Democrats what Clinton did to the GOP: pilfered their best issues. Just as Clinton seized credit for welfare reform and crime fighting, Bush has stolen the opposition's thunder on such perennial liberal causes as education and prescription drugs for the elderly.

    "Being beaten is never fun," Ponnuru says, "particularly when you're being beaten by someone you consider a moron."

    But the consensus breaks down over whether Bush has been deceiving the public -- not just over his decision to invade Iraq, a debate that continues to rage, but also whether he misrepresented his tax cuts as helping the middle class when they are heavily tilted to the wealthy.

    The ball is hit back and forth, across the net that divides the media landscape, from those who cheer Fox to those who swear by NPR.

    On the left: Slate columnist Michael Kinsley writes that he and other liberals view Bush as "pretty dumb -- though you're not supposed to say it and we usually don't." Bush is also, writes Kinsley, "a remarkably successful liar."

    On the right: Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, writing in Time, sees the anti-Bush "contempt and disdain giving way to a hatred that is near pathological. . . . Bush's great crime is that he is the illegitimate president who became consequential -- revolutionizing American foreign policy, reshaping economic policy and dominating the political scene ever since his emergence as the post-9/11 war president."

    On the left: Paul Krugman sees a huge double standard, insisting there is "no way to be both honest and polite" about the administration's deceptions.

    "There's nothing on the liberal side that compares to the bile we've routinely gotten on the right," the New York Times columnist says in an interview. "After years of extreme attacks from conservative pundits and politicians, now there's a little bit of feistiness on the other side and it's 'Oh, those rude people!' They themselves continue to do slash-and-burn, and the other side can't. It's amazing how thin-skinned some of these guys are."

    What, in the end, is the impact of this anti-Bush animus?

    To hear conservatives tell it, the liberals are being self-destructive by constantly and fervently denouncing the president.

    "After a while," says Ingraham, "it sounds like they're not respecting the intelligence of the average American. It's become a brand for the angry left."

    To hear liberals tell it, the fury at Bush could fuel a Democratic surge in 2004 and helps explain the improbable success of Howard Dean. In this view, the party doesn't need milquetoast Democrats who blur their differences with Bush as much as two-fisted candidates ready to punch him out.

    "Many Democratic partisans looked for a champion who would take on Bush directly, with passion and vigor, who would call Bush on his false statements," David Corn says. Dean "mirrored the anger and disgust felt by many grass-roots Democrats."

    It was against this backdrop that Chait felt compelled to speak out. "It's become social taboo to question Bush's legitimacy in any way, or even his fitness to hold office," he says. "It's seen as a mark of being hyper-partisan and bitter."

    Chait's New Republic editors urged him to write a coolly analytical piece about Bush's failings, but he waved them off. "I felt I was being slightly dishonest by not confessing my own feelings," he says.

    Bush-hating, it turns out, can be good business. Chait has gotten so much reaction that he and Ponnuru have been making the talk show rounds and are working with a speaker's bureau. But he's also gotten some nasty e-mail messages, one of which, perhaps inevitably, was titled: "Why I Hate Jonathan Chait."
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    I've pondered why Clinton is treated like the anti-Christ by the right.
     
  3. glynch

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    The left hates Bush because.

    1) he stole the election.
    2) he had few qualifications to be President.
    3) He's dumb and ,lazy, but cunning.
    4) He lied to get us into war. He doesn't care because he and his friends don't send their children. They nearly all avoided the service when it was their turn as young men.
    5) He's lying to destroy social security and medicare and he
    doesn't care because he and his friends can pay for their own retirement and health care out of their pockets.
    6) He's ripping off the treasury to make a bundle for Hallibruton and his contributors.
    7) He'll screw up the ARctic wilderness or the enviornment if his oil buds and contributors can make a quick buck off it.
    8) He lied about being a compassionate conservative and believing in "leaving no child behind".
    9) It is repulsive to have a hypocritical little rich party boy like him always mouthing off about being so Christian.
    10) After getting rich kid's affirmative action his whole life and having his family and connections clean up his messes he still has this sense of entitlement and belief that he made it on his own with no government help, so the poor and middle class need no help either.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    I've really come to enjoy the Bush-hating. It really just shows how powerless and desperate the left is to cling on to something and make themselves feel better. I really get a good chuckle out of the whole thing, especially the professional Bush protestors out there who are out every weekend.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yeah, nearly as entertaining as the Clinton haters were (and still are in many cases). Personally, I don't hate Bush, I just hate many of the policies that his handlers have foisted off on us.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    You should get a better hobby, such as sex or drug abuse.
     
  7. GreenVegan76

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    You won't find a person who despises Bush's politics more than I do, but I don't hate the man. I'm not a Bush-hater. I'm sure he's a very decent person.

    It is interesting, however, that the best way Republicans can defend Bush is by painting those who disagree with him as "haters."
     
  8. glynch

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    Personally, I don't hate Bush, I just hate many of the policies that his handlers have foisted off on us.

    It is hard for me to separate his policies from him personally. I'll admit that.

    Talking about him personally. At times when you see him relaxed and hanging out at the ranch or at that famous internet clip where he was drinking and cracking jokes at a friend's wedding he looked like he could be fun, like your typical college fraternity president. His girls, especially Jenna look fun in the same sort of way.
     
  9. Mulder

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    Agreed. I don't hate Bush as a person either. As a liberal I disagree with some of his political policies. True, you can point to countless examples of MY postings on political topics where I call him a liar a cheat and a thief. It is the acts of this administration that I despise.
    I also think that one of the fatal flaws of this administration is that they don't have any "outsiders" that they can run ideas off of. It is just the Bush inner circle and they all seem to have the same stance on every issue. That group think without the benefit of a desenting thought can be dangerous.
    He professes to be a Christian as do I, so I guess we have at least that in common.
     
  10. TraJ

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    I think this is one area where we're seeing the effects of liberalism. That's where Rpublicans learned tactics like that. Okay, probably not, but I seriously doubt they invented it either. If they did, it was a joint effort. :)

    I'm glad you can admit this, glynch. But I would have known it was so whether or not you admitted to it, even though I've never met you personally. It comes through clearly in every post of yours I've ever read.
     
  11. B-Bob

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    Once more, I'll say I'd gladly have a beer with the guy, and I wish he owned the Astros. I honestly believe he has the best intentions, for people of all stripes, and for the world. (Cheney is another story).

    Many of this administration's policies are right of moderate on any reasonable spectrum of political preference, and that frustrates a great number of level-headed people. In particular, the new policy of pre-emption leaves many of us speechless, because it seems like a complete Pandora's box. Again, I believe Bush himself sees it as absolutely the best course of action for the world.

    I do know some people who cringe every time the guy appears on TV. I don't quite understand it, but I do know a lot of people speak of embarrassment when he represents us to the world. I think some people want an intelligent orator as a leader, as our main representative to the world. I think that's over-rated actually. Nothing to seethe about.

    Ultimately, I guess it's much easier to talk about people "Bush hating" than to really discuss the finer points of the policies in question. And so our descent continues. Whatever we do, let's not discuss a topic. Let's continue labeling and polarizing.
     
  12. bamaslammer

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    That's entirely false. I don't think Rumsfeld and Colin Powell see eye-to-eye on hardly any international relations issues, yet they both are important players in the administration. I think Bush has done a good job of having a diverse crew of opinions in his cabinet.

    Clinton, on the other hand, was an entirely different story. Janet Reno, Madeline Not-so-Bright, Warren Christopher and several others were some of the most incompetent and corrupt figures in any adminstration in recent memory.
     
  13. mrpaige

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    While your reasons would likely be cited by many, a lot of the hatred of Bush started before the election even happened. There are just a lot of partisans who will have a visceral reaction to the opposition candidate.

    It didn't take Clinton getting elected to start the hatred against him. It started before he even became the front-running Democratic candidate in 1992.
     
  14. basso

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    i posted this in another thread, but perhaps it belongs here. here's another guy who really hates bush:

    "You elect the evil from among you, the greatest liars and the least decent and you are enslaved by your richest and the most influential among you. And the war on Iraq, which has nothing to do with you, is proof of that.

    Bush and his gang, with their heavy sticks and hard hearts, are an evil to all humankind. They have stabbed into the truth, until they have killed it altogether in the eyes of the world. With this behaviour they have encouraged hypocrisy, and spread vice and political bribes shamelessly at the level of heads of state.

    This gang and their leader enjoy lying, war and looting to serve their own ambitions. The blood of the children of Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq is still dripping from their teeth. They have fooled you and deceived you into invading Iraq a second time. And they have lied to you and the whole world.

    Bush has sent your sons into the lion's den, to slaughter and be slaughtered, claiming that this act was in defense of international peace and America's security, thus concealing the facts."
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    ostensibly from osama bin laden, as reported by al jazeera today.
     
  15. underoverup

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    I think this is a good point, because Bush seems so uncomfortable when speaking in a situation that isn't extremely rehearsed and pre-planned. He comes across to many, as an uneducated puppet who is just trying to play a role while others do the difficult work --- oh wait, nevermind that is what he's doing. :(
     
  16. Rocketman95

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    Twice now that Democrats have been compared to OBL.

    Sickening.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Christopher was an idiot.

    Albright did a good job, a little hawkish for my tastes, but hasn't been made to look like a fool a la powell.

    If Reno was corrupt she woudn't have investigated Clinton so much. She would have put investigations on the back burner, like Ashcroft has done.

    And don't even get me started with Robert Rubin vs. musical chairs economic team for bush 2.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    It hardly comes as surprise anymore.
     
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    my brother worked at the state department during christopher's term and said they'd constantly refer to any crises w/ "this wouldn't be happening if Warren Christopher were alive!"
     
  20. Rocketman95

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    Well, Christopher was a Republican. :D
     

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