I posted this in another thread but wanted to see what everyone thought of this! If we could have the Doctors give a rundown on GHill's injury, and status of returning, this could be a feasible idea. The problem is that because he was injured when he signed his contract, no insurance company would cover it. If he is hurt forever we still have to pay EVERY PENNY of his contract. But if his injury is not a permanant problem (we've heard that before of course) than we might consider going for it. We could trade Glen Rice and Kenny Thomas and they might take it. Yes, I love the way Kenny's been playing but with MoTaylor coming back and Griffin's ability, I think this could put us in the upper echelon of teams in two years......Imagine: Francis/Mooch Cat/Torres Hill/Morris MoT/Collier Griff/ THIS YEARS DRAFT (Yao Ming??) Essentially with Hill who is a rebounding S.Forward and Griff has already shown a Tenacity for the boards, this could be one of the best teams in the league. With G.Hill playing Point Forward it will also allow Francis to play without the ball and free him up. Grant is not a selfish player so I don't think his touches will be THAT important. Plus trading G.Rice and Kenny will mean we will SUCK this year in a great draft year without having to tank and we will get Griffin and TMO lots of experience. The Magic gets away from a contract that could ruin the already financially strapped team and allow them to go after Tim Duncan in full force. Plus they will recieve the Power forward they need and G.Rice to help them spread the floor for McGrady. They still have Darrell Armstrong to play point and a team of Armstrong McGrady Rice KThomas Ewing -> Duncan in the Future Will be better than putting all their eggs in one basket. We on the other hand can handle it better if GHill never recovers because we have our core players already and simply need to resign them and so the salary cap is not a burden to us. Thoughts????????
Why would we want to trade for the living injury? Plus, Orlando already has Mike Miller, so why would they want Glen Rice?
If anyone who knows about injury/recovery can help me out here..... What is the status of GH injuries? Is the situation with Hill one where they've always taken the most immediate problem to be fixed and then hoped nothing else would go wrong? Seems to me that teams with an injured star usually take the quickest route to get that star back on the court. If we were to trade for Hill, and told him and the docs to "look for and fix anything and everything," what are the odds he would make a better-than-before complete recovery? I'm not a doctor or anything, but I just find it hard to believe that a relatively young man who is physically strong, can't have a full recovery through reconstructive surgery and physical therapy and then go about his business. Anyone? Edit: How old is Grant Hill?
DOB: 10/05/1972. That puts him at 29 now, 30 next year when he returns. That's at the cusp of "probable" complete recovery.
Khan, I am with you. I would take the chance on Hill. I also think that Orlando would love to have Kenny Thomas, and once Glen Rice get in shape (he has not been in shape this year), he will play well.
Though he is Injured and Injury Prone we have two issues: Firstly he is not coming back this year, and losing GRice and KThomas will ensure us having a high lottery spot. 2ndly....Once We ReSign Francis and Griffin, we won't have any Cap Room for a WHILE anyway. So who cares if we're over the cap. I'm Actually Scared we could lose Francis to Washington. They have a lot of cap space and need a point guard. We all know how Francis Idolizes Jordan and grew up close to there!! If we have Grant Hill, this will help us to re-sign Francis knowing that we have another star in the waiting. Plus if the Cost Benefit will be beneficial to Les Alexander because if Hill does come back that will fill up the seats like CRAZY. We are still under contract for Glen Rice for 3 years, i'd rather have the possibility of G.Hill, then overcooked Rice. Hill still has 5 years. Are there any free agents on the horizon in the next 4 to 5 years??? When we will have Cap Space????
The Magic have full insurance on Hill's salary - they aren't paying a dime of it and it's not hampering their cap situation for 2003, where (with the Outlaw trade) they have about $14-$16mill free to go after free agents with. The surgery performed was designed to fix what is wrong now and apply a permanent solution so that it would never happen again, specifically so no more bone spurs would occur. The original injury is healed; it's the recurrance of the bone spurs they aimed to avoid with this new surgery. With all of the shooters they have, they have no need for Rice. Needless to say, they wouldn't trade the guy who wanted to be in Orlando just because they are panicking. The Magic were offered Chris Webber in a sign and trade for Hill and didn't take it - what makes you think they'd trade him for Rice and KT now?
MFClark, Are you sure about the insurance deal?? I have read that because Hill was injured when he signed his contract, no company would insure his contract. Therefore, my surmise was that Orlando would do it to get out of his contract to #1 Go after free agent Duncan #2 They are a team that lost money last year and can't afford it in Orlando's small market I figured that we had a few guys we had to sign long-term so we would be over the cap and could take the hit better than Orlando could. And now this is a recurring problem, do you think they would have taken Webber?? Probably! Not many teams in the NBA would take a chance on Hill today.....that's why I think we should try!
Orlando Would never trade Hill and even if they do it wont be for k9 , Rice or Cato (and if even if they would accept the offer , we dont need another injure prone player with a maximum contract for 5 years). It's a bad idea .
I wonder if Orlando would be willing to trade us Goofy, Pluto, & a bag of peanuts for Cato & a six pack of beer?
Reminds me of a Joke i put in the BBS : Mickey and Minnie mouse are in court trying to get a divorce. The judge then says te Mickey Mouse, you can't divorce your wife because she's insane. Mickey then replies "NO! I didn't say she was crazy, I said she was Fu#$ing Goofy!!!" That always cracks me up...
NO Hill's inability to stay healty and the amount of time to get back to the superstar level if ever would be to long. Well maybe his name would sell tickets and a hurt Hill is beter than a hurt Cato and hurt G. Rice.
My guess is that the owner would care very much. Remember he is the one being taxed for every dollar over the cap. That being said taking Hill is a very risky move. Remember prior to this latest injury he has had 2 surguries on the same ankle. He already has 4 screws in the ankle. They will proably put at least 2 more in it this time. Each injury has been in a different spot in the same ankle because the ankle is compensating for the weakend restructured part (did that make sense?) There is no guarentee that he won't reinjure the same ankle in another spot. The Magic will have cap space in '03 (to go after Duncan) regardless if they trade Hill or not. On the other hand if H-Town was to get Hill, and he does completely heal from the injuries you would have one of the best players in the NBA. He may be 30 when that happens but remember he hasn't really played that much in the past 2 years so as far as wear & tear he would only be 28. Either way it would still take more than what you proposed to get Hill from Orlando regardless of the injury.
No One wants Glen Rice and his salary. Why would Orlando want him and they have younger better players in McGarrity and Miller? People just don't get it, we were had when we got Glen. True all we gave up was Anderson, but is it anyone that think this trade could have happened 3 yrs ago. When the Knicks jumpes up and said we'll give you Rice for Anderson, it was a done deal. Yes the got a bench player, but he's making 6mil as oppose to 9mil. They would have a better chance of trading Anderson (see Bo outlaw and George Lynch) than they could Rice because of his age , injury problems and contract. We were had and will have a very hard time getting rid of him just like Walt.
A few points: 1) Grant Hill isn't as injured as Orlando make it seem. They're not playing it safe, they're refusing to even play. If Orlando were in the Conference finals, Hill wouldn't have had that surgery. In fact, he can probably be back well before the end of the season because removing bone spurs isn't as big a deal as it may sound. Grant Hill's career is not over by a long stretch, just llike Penny's career isn't over and will even improve beyond this season. 2) Orlando's line-up would in fact look much better than Khan has made it look: Steve Hunter (brilliant rookie) Tim Duncan Mike Miller Trace Mcgrady Darell Armstrong Bench: Glen Rice Pat Garrity KT whoever they pick up till then leebigez, you're too negative. Glen Rice will only be there to back up the starters, and will free up cap space in a couple of years. That's the positive way to think about it, and that's what we'll be offering Orlando. It's not like their GM will say "Here take the injured Grant Hill. He has lost some of his explosiveness and some of his jump. His confidence, morale, and respect is lost." The risk we're taking is much much bigger than they are. So they get stuck with Glen Rice's 9 million. For all they care, he can play 15 minutes and be a sharp shooter. But if we lose Grant Hill, he's gone. Look at the bright side of things, SOMETIMES at least. Even ZRB lightened up. (lol, no disrespect ZRB, you were just very negative)
Sane, its not called being negative its called being REAL! If you were the GM of Orlando and you knew Hill was hurt, but you know when healthy this guy is top 10 material, why would you drop 9mil on a backup when you can find designated shooters like Glen all day. Peep this: Lets say Hill comes back next yr and has a strong yr, the following summer Duncan is a free agent. We know that Duncan is going to command 14mil per because of his yrs in the league. You have Hill who makes about 12-14mil per , the Spurs know they are going to lose him so if you're Gabriel you can give up Hill and maybe a pick for Duncan. Your lineup can still be intact because Miller has played so much anyway, plug in Duncan and your ready to go and you have an improving Hunter at the 5. Why would you blow that for Glen Rice and Kenny Thomas both of whom are bench players? The thing about Orlando is they are keeping their eyes on the prize unlike us. We should have done the same thing and not taken on any long term contracts. We could have stayed status quo, which is what we did and made a run at some of the players coming free this summer and next. We could have shot the duece to Moochie,Taylor and Anderson while looking at the big picture. Lewis and Wallace will be free after this yr and Duncan after next and the way it looks we won't be players in any of that which is sad. Even if we would have signed Hakeem to 2 yrs, we would have some flexibilty in the free agent market, but we messed that up. Our only hope now is Griffin and morris being the players we hope they are, but at the looks of it we won't get a chnace because we're wasting our time on Williams, Rice and to a certain extent Thomas. Maybe the spurs will go for Taylor,Cato and a pick for Duncan. I doubt it especially since Orlando will be offering a guy like Hill and a Pick for him.
