in the 2004-2005 season (T-Mac's first) we were 13-15 at this point as well. That team was a ton of fun to watch the second half of the season after being a mess the first two months getting to 51 wins and had a chance to go deep in the playoffs if it were not for a few bad breaks here and there. Does this mean anything? Yes and No, No because it's a different coach and outside of Yao/Mac/James(he did not come till later on though) a different group of players but Yes because a few moves were made, players bought into the system and things gelled just like they can this year. Anyway, Happy New Year and Go Rockets!
Sure hope our Roxs have a similar run in them but need to start seeing some progress on the floor, lets hope it starts this weekend.
the problem is that t-mac is arguably worse then he was then, james is a shell of himself, and sura, wesley, and barry aren't waiting to turn this offense around. if we make some trades, certainly there's enough time to make that kind of comeback again, but this team needs a change.
White Boy Super Squad is not walking through that door. A hungry TMac in a new place isn't walking through.
Well Ryan Bowen is available... John Barry seems like he's in shape, get Jason Williams in here and we got a party
It can be done! I still think we have hope this season or I wouldn't be wasting my time posting about them. I would just watch and sulk because I would know that there is no hope. But I am a fan to the end. That being said, if we can't make the right trade to get the help we need, there is always ANOTHER option! Cause even if we get a good trade, if the COACH and his staff can't get the players to play better, then it won't matter. That being said: Can any member post a thread about what others would think of Calvin Murphy as the coach of this team? I already know that this is blasphemy to many of you, and that you don't think we need another coach, especially Calvin freaking Murphy as one hater put it; but I would still like to know what others with opinions think about it as a whole. So someone please start a thread about it. I personally think that his knowledge of the game, passion for the game, ability to relate to players, motivational speaking skills and no crap taking attitude is EXACTLY what this team needs and far outweighs his colorful suits and very confident (bordering arrogance) type personality. We want a coach who can lead us to a championship, not Ward Clever.
I am glad to have tmac...I question the older vets vs young athleticism moves like gay/battier..........even though I like battier. I don't like when everyone stands around and watches tmac operate, I do like the adelman ball movement and having tmac touch the ball last on an easy open shot.
Can any member post a thread about what others would think of Calvin Murphy as the coach of this team? ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS? I can't take it anymore...I absolutely can't take it anymore. Here's the deal, like it or not: 1. TMac isn't going anywhere. We'll never get enough in return and the Lakers aren't giving up Kobe for a guy with a bad back who tends to pout and appears to be "going through the motions" on some nights. 2. The ONLY player worth trading is YAO MING. He's the only guy you can get equal or greater value for and he's arguably the reason the offense has taken so much time to come together. He takes up ALOT of space in the lane, he's slow and for some god forsaken reason nobody can get him the ball without him having to repost 2-3s time per posession - which eats up the clock and throws everyone else out of position. I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but YM might average 20 + 10 but in 90% of the cases they are a hollow 20 + 10. When was the last time a big man put up numbers like Yao has the past 4-5 games and his team still can't pick up the win? Not Shaq, not Hakeem, not Duncan......his stat lines are hollow - he might keep us in games but he is not at this point a difference maker. The real question is, does Les want to win a Championship or does he want the recurring income from China? As a business man, I'm pretty sure he wants the recurring income so Yao isn't going anywhere. I personally think they should offer him to LA for Kobe because I think LA would JUMP on it and I think Kobe is the closest replacement (behind Lebron) to the marketing $ you give up by getting rid of Yao. I also think Kobe and TMac would be VERY interesting to watch, but it AINT GONNA HAPPEN. 3. Give Adelman a freakin' break. He's been the coach for 2 months, they've had the toughest schedule I can remember in YEARS, they have several new additions to the bench and did I mention he's been the coach for 2 F'ING MONTHS? If he's made a mistake (and I'm not conceding that he has), its that he didn't shove the offense down the players throat from the get-go and not allow them to revert to JVGs offense for 15 or so games. By the way, it's a brand new offense....this isn't Avery stepping into the perfect situation that Don Nelson handed him, this is turning a "play defense/stand around and watch TMAC offense" into a motion/cut/slash/push type offense....did I mention that he's been the coach for 2 F'ING MONTHS? It doesn't matter about Steve, MJ, etc....if TMac, Yao and RA aren't on the same page, it's all a giant waste of time. I have a hard time believing that TMac and Yao are as "frustrated" with the offense and RA as you guys seem to think they are...I'm pretty sure they've been through offense changes and they don't happen in 2 weeks worth of practice, followed by 15 games of JVG offense. 4. One last point....It doesn't matter how many posts/threads/chants/articles get written about RA or how many times you guys ask for JVG or insinuate that TMAC and YM want him back....it aint gonna happen. You seem to forget that Les Alexander is the one who made the decision to get rid of JVG and I would venture to say that even if we'd made it past the 1st round last year and made it deep into the playoffs (which would have been very possible with Dallas' early exit), JVG would have been gone. Les wants exciting b-ball. He has seen the game change. It's about athleticism and smarts, point gaurds and power forwards....not shooting guards and centers. Guess what guys, we're stuck with a shooting guard and a big man. Doesn't matter what coach you bring in....it is what it is. To sum up: 1. No Tmac trade 2. If either of the two go, it has to be Yao 3. RA is not satan and TM/YM need to get onboard (doesn't matter what surrounds them) 4. The coaching change was Les' decision and JVG isn't coming back Please, please start posting something meaningful or don't post at all.
hollow high double doubles? that is the most ridiculous thing I've read in awhile. We are not talking pansy double-doubles like 10 and 10...We are talking high double-doubles, like 28 and 10+ on many nights. He DOES put us in a good position to win. He is NOT the problem. Its everyone else NOT making their shots.
OK genious, name the last time Yao put this team on his back and carried them to a win. Better yet, I can count the number of times he's done this on both hands for his entire career. Now count the number of times Tracy has done it......yeah lets have some more trade Tracy threads or fire RA threads. I agree that the role players need to hit their shots, but if everyone's hair is going to be on fire and MAJOR changes have to be made, Yao has to be considered. Take off the YOF glasses and think about it subjectively for a few minutes.
by the way, prove your point when you reply....don't just state that high double doubles make him blameless in the equation and he "puts us in a position to win". I don't want my franchise 7'6" center "putting me in a position to win", I want him to WIN THE GAME. Read the entire post and post a thoughtful response. I don't put 100% of the blame on Yao, what I am saying is that if anyone should go from a BUSINESS and BASKETBALL perspective, YAO makes sense. You might actually get something back for him and Adelmans offense would be easier to run because you wouldn't have Captian Slow Mo in the lane for 20 out of 24 seconds.
Let's have a discussion here, so please spare me your condescending "genius" comments. Yao is not the problem, nor do I think tmac is. I recognize Tmac's value and don't want him traded. I also want to give Adelman his fair time to implement his offense. If Yao is getting his high double-doubles and the team is not winning, that usually means your TEAM is not very good--hence my focus on the role players. I have always believed that the role players are not pure shooters with a killer instict allowing teams to focus on shutting down tmac and Yao and daring, full on out daring the other players to knock down shots and try to win the game. You don't trade a player that gives you high double-doubles every night and shoots 87% from the line--simple.
You do when he is crippling the offense. Let's take another example over in NY. Even when he is scoring and rebounding, Eddie Curry's slow movement and inability to dominate on the defensive side take away from the team as a whole. This may not have been true before the zone rules were implemented, but it is now. There is too much work done to create spacing and get Yao the ball. Too much time is wasted and it's all geared to one person getting one shot. That is the antithesis of the motion offense. The game has flat out changed. A superstar should be able to dominate all facets of a game. Yao cannot. He has peaked and his slow footed, pragmatic style of offense hinders our ability to play Adelman's offense. Would you like another example? How about Zach Randolph. He's a walking double double. Put's up stats that are similar to Yao's in most years. But he doesn't dominate a game. The problem now is two-fold. We have an owner with a stated goal of obtaining a more up and down team and an all-star center who is more set for a slow it down game. It's the immovable object vs the unstoppable force. What is more important to Les? Yao's revenue streams or fielding a championship caliber team?
Please don't tell me how to post I believe you meant objectively(facts) rather than subjectively(opinions and emotions)
You only got the genius comment because you played the "most ridiculous thing I've read in a while" card. And I still don't think you've read the entire post. I'm not advocating trading Yao either. What I'm saying is that I'm tired of seeing all of the trade TMAC, fire RA, bring back JVG, what about Calvin Murphy for head coach, think Bill Worrell would do a good job posts/threads. If after 2 months of a new coach with a new system, the only options we have are to make a MAJOR change like everyone seems to think, then Yao HAS to be considered. The other options make no sense and arent going to happen for the reasons I stated in the original post.....there's no sense in people continuing to post them. You still haven't answered the question about the number of times he's shown the heart to pick this team up and carry them to a win. I'm not even talking about a playoff win, just a regular season win. How many times in his career can you recall? I still say it's 10 or less.
How many times did shaq do that? At least Yao can make FTs at the end of the game. How many times did TD do that? It's manu/parker closed games for spurse, and role players (horry) sometimes.
Are you having a nervous breakdown? Or is it just that time of the month? YES....I AM VERY VERY SERIOUS ABOUT CALVIN MURPHY BEING THE BEST CANDIDATE TO COACH THIS TEAM! I gave reasons clearly why I thought so. If you disagree with them or have reasons why you think he shouldn't be...other than the sorry fall back to he has never been a head coach...then please give them in a readable manner and stop the temper tandrums. (Start the thread and see who agrees with you Mr. Forum Conscious) Adelman will get a break when he deserves one. Right now he doesn't. I don't care what he did in Portland and Sacramento anymore...what has he done for me lately? Two months, two f'ing months? I think training camp started in October, that's three months now! Part of coaching is not just having a "system" of offensive. It's about relating to your players and getting them to play hard also. You can't tell me that this team wanted to come out and suck and not play hard every night. Their "style" of their mentality is coming from their coach. They played hard nosed defense with JVG because that was his personality. Now they are playing like soft wussies because that is the personality of Rick Adleman! And I don't want JVG back...unless Rick wants to stay around as his assistant...otherwise...I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT I WANT CALVIN FREAKING MURPHY DUDE! Again...let JVG take over the Chicago job or somewhere, or stay in broadcasting. Even though I liked his defense, I never liked him as a coach overall. And coaches do matter, otherwise there wouldn't be so many coaching changes. Who in their right mind thought the Lakers would be where they are right now? The Rockets suck so bad right now because their coaching sucks...period! To sum up: 1) I don't really want a Tmac trade, although the one I proposed with Memphis I would do. 2) Yao ain't ever going...the makes Les too much money! 3) RA doesn't have to be satan to suck at coaching this team. If there is nothing there that TM and YM both feel like they need to get on board to, that should tell you something! 4) Good, Les should continue to get rid of coaches that don't play the right players and can't motivate their team to play NBA ball of today's time. Time to make another critical decision on RA by the All Star break and bring in: CALVIN FREAKING MURPHY! (Think outside of your little box.) You should consider taking your own advice into consideration for yourself, before you try to be the forum God for others. Everyone's opinion is valid to them at least. Can any member post a thread about what others would think of Calvin Murphy as the coach of this team?
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