The Call This was given to me via a phone call this AM. The call came from the West Coast and NOT Houston. I have had some excellent info in the past from this person. Very excellent stuff! He did not know how serious the talks were, or if it was at the "discussion phase" between General Managers. But, he said it was serious and current. He states he got it from an inside source. I have known this guy for years, and he operates in high sports circles in California. Let me tell you, he DOES have inside sources. But the obvious impact is interesting to say the least. Again, I repeat, I have not been able to get any of this confirmed from any other source other than this single friend. The Offer-Discussion,Etc... Golden State Warriors: Antawn Jamison and Eric Dampier for Houston Rockets: B.Drew, Carlos Rogers, W.Williams, a pick and one of the "Rocket Centers". That's all he had. Does not know which center. I asked: "No, not Hakeem?" He answered: "No,likely not, because the person who told me would have said Hakeem[, not one of the Rocket Centers". I agree with him. Cato has got to be equally eliminated, for a whole bunch of reasons including salary wise (same as Hakeem) it cannot fit, plus including either Hakeem or Cato does not make sense. It just is not that good a Houston deal if Cato (or Hakeem obviousily) was included. My suspicion is it has to be Jason Collier, but I don't know if CD can do that so soon after signing him. Anyway there it is. Discussion I made a quick salary check to see if it had any obvious problems. I make it something like just over$9 Million (Houston) versus just under $9Million (for GS). First Impression: For the Rockets, the missing pieces are in place with this deal. And I can see CD doing it. This is a deal he would put together. (I could even see him packaging Dampier with someone else and including a third team in some other side deal.) The Warriors unload a six year contract with Dampier, fill some holes with experienced people. Get a center(Collier,presumably) who can back up Foyle. Get a guard that is very capable (FA next year), two forwards with scorability, only one (Walt's) whose contract GS would have to really worry about as far as length goes. This is just conjecture on my part, but I wonder if Antawn told them he would be leaving when his contract was up in 2002???? The Rockets get a premier SF in Antawn Jamison who I would sell my '68 Mustang to see in a Rockets uniform. He has all the equipment and knows what to do about it. I love this guy. Unfortunately, we also get saddled with an underacheiving center who some say is over paid by twice his worth in Eric Dampier. Some West Coast friends have been telling me that Dampier is a work horse and is just depressed over being stuck in Golden State. Sounds like a "Vin Baker" thing to me. I have seen him play and he has some scoring talent. But, I always got the impression from him that he was pouting and pissed that he was on that (GSW) team. Anyway there it is.
oelipere -- If I was GS and going to talk to the Rockets about trading Jamison to Houston, and the offer didn't include Steve Francis, it would be a very short conversation. At the very least I'd be wanting Mobley AND Cato, or Mobley and multiple 1st-round picks. Surely Jamison commands more than 4 scrubs from a sub-500 team.....Right? ------------------ "The only problem is I always think of the guitar player from Dokken when I hear his name." -Traj, on the possibility of George Lynch joining the Rockets.
I would do this deal SO fast it would make your head look like Linda Blair in the excorcist. I want Jamison bad !! He is SUCH an upgrade at SF, a Langhi and Jamison combo there would solidify us for the next 10 years. DaDakota ------------------ All you MO-FO's better stop ripping off my lines !!
Wait a minute, there has to be a catch to this. This just sounds too good to be true. Damn it's cool being Rocket fan during the off season! ------------------ www.rocketzone.web.com
Followup I just got a callback from a "friend" of the Rockets Organization and asked this person specifically if CD/RT/&Company ever looked at or assessed Dampier. That is all I mentioned to them. Nothing else. Nada. Nyet. The answer: (and I quote directly) "...I have no comment on the Golden State thing ... none. Where did you get it?? Man!!!!! ... uh,uh you are not getting that from me .... How do you guys find this stuff out!". Freaky Friday Hey, I just post it. I haven't even started to look at it from all perspectives. I agree, though. I would be asking for oodles more. Mobes added to the package above. But that cannot be done. Then again CD wouldn't be talking to them very long either, if it didn't make the Rockets position better. Presumably, the discussion is going on so they are hung up on some issues. DaDa Upside: Everything you said. Hell yeah! Downside: Dampier for 6 years. Other factors: Have to renegotiate Antawn's contract in 2 years. (Maybe as soon as next year????) and find some money for MoTay, Steve, Shandon too!! ------------------ PS: I am leaving the state on Monday AM and leaving the country on Wednesday, so if I don't answer anyone here, I am not ignoring you. I'll post any upsdates as I get them. My email is checked almost daily when I am gone.
Is Collier signed to a contract yet ? If he is, that means he wouldn't be tradable till dec. 15 ? ------------------ "The road to hell is paved with Republicans."
oeilpere, YOU are the man! Freak, if the name steve or mobley were mentioned there would be no discussion. GS is getting a scorer in Walt, and inside presence in carlos, guard help, a young center, and presumably a 1st round pick. plus they are dumping a big salary. We would get basically Jamison and a back up center with a big contract. Don't get me wrong I do this in about .00005 seconds. A rebounding SF, it would be like a little piece of heaven for this team. ------------------
Why does GS want to unload Jamison? I can see why they would want to unload Dampier but Jamison????? Also, it's very interesting that the trade exception is not mentioned in this deal at all...what other motivation would GS in trading Jamison? This is just too good for us....I sure hope it can materialize into something. Then this would be one hell of a summer for us Rocket fans!!! ------------------
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theFreak: are you serious? Do you think A.J. is worth even a package that might include Cato along with Walt + Carlos Rogers? I wouldn't. This team has chemistry, and there have already been 3 significant feats accomplished this offseason (Langhi, Mo and Cat reupping). What was Jamison's injury last year? Wasn't it pretty serious? ------------------ I've posted so much that what I say must be true. The latest on Maurice Taylor
Ah, the old OP is back. This deal sounds incredible. The only technical problem I see with it is that Collier has signed a rookie contract and so can't be traded for awhile. Maybe they meant Cato? I could see him being more valuable that Collier, and adding incentive to the deal for GS. Of course, we unload Cato and they've got to come up with more bodies to give up to even out salary-wise. I would still do that deal, even with Cato - if Dampier is healthy. He's had a career's worth of injury problems. But when healthy, he's a solid defensive center. ------------------
Antawn Jamison?!!!! Call me a good luck charm and rub me! It's hard not to be skeptical of this deal because it looks so lopsided in favor of the Rockets. Anyway, I'm just ecstatic that the team is looking at Jamison and trying to aquire him. ------------------ Don't you have anything better to do?
Achebe, That would completely end our rebuilding right there. We'd really have no question marks. Dampier is basically Cato (if it is in fact Cato we're giving up). Sure, I'd hate to lose Rogers and Walt, but to get a player like Jamison I'd do it in a second. C-Dream, Dampier, Collier PF-Taylor, Thomas, Pig SF-Jamison, Langhi SG-Anderson, Mobley PG-Francis, Norris That means we could keep Pig!!! I'm for it for that reason alone!!! ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
sounds good but i'd have to say nyet way man... or is GS just a farm team for the rest of the leaugue? ------------------ i am rather like a mosquito in a nudist camp..i know what i ought to do but i don't know where to begin...
Please guys, lets not spill this all over the net and keep it here at Clutchcity.net. I don't want to jeapordize this deal, if true, in any way. And I don't want to get anyone trouble, Popeye style. Other than that, if it's Collier as the possible center I will piss in my pants as soon as it's mentioned. Cato Taylor Jamison Anderson Francis Don't wake me up. ------------------
Man-o-Man, you have shocked us once again Pope- er, Opie. I agree with my BBS bretheren this deal seems too good to be true. Even if its Cato that we're trading. Heck, I would throw in one of our first rounder owed to us with little hesitation. Jamison is that good. Getting a player of that calibre without giving up Francis, Anderson or Mobes is almost inconcievable. Btw, How long is Cato's contract up for? Is he getting paid close to what Dampier is? I never thought the Warriors even thought about splitting up their franchise and Hughes so soon. Then again, this is the Warriors, they've been everybody's favourite trading partner the last decade. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com
Looks like we better strap ourselves in for another 100 post thread ... I didn't see GS play at all last year, so here's my question: Is Antawn really a SF? I thought he was a power forward? The guy has taken 17 three point shots in his career. So where do we get 3 point shooting from our starting frontline? Nowhere. Of course, that's not a reason to shoot down the trade. Antawn is a huge talent, but maybe someone else who saw GS play last year can shed some light on his performance at SF (can he guard the quicker SFs in the west like KG and Shareef?). I just haven't seen him play much since college when he was almost exclusively a PF. The deal seems so lopsided that I'm suspecting GS would be asking for Cato. I have mixed feelings about this. Theoretically, Cato can develop into our center of the future. Dampier, IMHO, is a career backup. So we end up with a huge hole at center (after Hakeem retires) in a Western Conference dominated by Shaq. On the other hand, Cato's value right now is as high as it's ever been. And if he disappoints again this year, there's no way he can be the centerpiece of trade involving a player of Antawn's caliber. So one approach would be to deal him now in case his value plummets next year. I say: do the deal (if rudy and CD think Antawn can play SF) even if it involves Cato. The other guys are very much replacable. Anyway, that's all speculation until we know for sure what the particulars are. Right now I'm mostly curious about Antawn's ability to play the SF. Any Bay Area posters out there who can fill us in? ------------------ [This message has been edited by wrath_of_khan (edited September 01, 2000).]
Collier can not be traded, period. The center in question, if this fantastic rumor is true, has to be Cato. I would think Rogers would be left out of the deal if Cato is involved. That means Pig Miller gets left off the roster. C- Dream, Dampier, Collier PF- Mo, KT, Rogers SF- AJ, Langhi SG- SA, CAt PG- Franchise, Moochie In my humble opinion, Steve Francis is one of the few point guards who can make this situation work. ------------------ "There is no controlling legal authority", - Al Gore, upon discovery that he clearly broke campaign fundraising laws.
This is BS. I don't believe oeilpere. I'm waiting for popeye to confirm. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
