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Gilbert Arenas

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by pgabriel, Mar 20, 2006.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    What has gotten into this guy the last two seasons. This year 29 points a game, almost 6 assists and shooting 44.9% and 36% from the three point line. those numbers are better than pierce's, mcgrady's, anthony's and a few others. but no one talks about him. given that his team is actually a playoff team and got to the second round last year with him being their primary scorer I think he should be receiving at least some talk of MVP. Here's another thing about him, he's only 24 years old and was a second round pick. He's team is having a lot of success and his best big man is antoine jamison.
     
  2. KellyDwyer

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    How about the game a few weeks back where he scored 46 points on 16 shots. SIXTEEN SHOTS!!

    Yeah, it was against the Knicks, but dang ...
     
  3. Luckyazn

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    It is weird that some player gets notices more from doing less and if Gilbert Arenas was leading the league in scoring not much people would still notice him
     
  4. tiger0330

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    Man is on a mission since he was dissed in the ASG. He does have game, I wonder what kind of team the Warriors would be with JR and GA as a backcourt.
     
  5. Val

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    I had an ex co worker from California tell me that his friend got drafted in 01. I was like who?

    He said oh my friend Gil Arenas.

    I said "Oh, that second rounder, guy. I said, I hope they use him, cause most second round picks go no where."

    He said, "Yeah, gil was an amazing player in High School. He was never looked at by the scouts, and he made his way to AZ basically through hard work. He was pissed off that he didn't get recruited, but hey he's at least in the NBA. His dad used to make him get up at 530 every morning and jump trash cans"
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I've seen a few wizards games on league pass and they always talk about how he has worked on his game and shot the past couple of summers. His shot seems automatic.
     
  7. Luckyazn

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    Didnt they show a thing on him on ABC taking like 300 or 500 shots in the gym
     
  8. A-Train

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    He suffers from the same affliction as Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury, high scoring tweener guard that will never lead a team to an NBA title syndrome...

    That being said, McGrady for Arenas....get it done, CD! :D
     
  9. KellyDwyer

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    The next story I hear about Franbury jumping trash cans will be my first.

    And if either of those guys ever score 46 on just 26 shots, I will rethink everything.

    Until then ...
     
  10. Luckyazn

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    Would you do a Gilbert Arenas/Butler for Tmac/Head
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Arenas has passed both Francis and Marbury in terms of effectiveness. for all of francis's flaws, looking back the thing that is going to have hurt him the most is his jumpshot falling apart after his second season.

    Arenas is not the playmaker francis or marbury is and he isn't as complete a player as either one of them, but it doesn't matter because the way his jump shot is going he can do the most important thing, put the ball in the basket at an unbelievably efficient level.
     
  12. napalm

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    No I wouldn't because Tracy (when healthy) is still far and away a better all around player than Arenas.

    Tracy>>>Arenas
    Butler >> Head.

    However, I wouldn't give up Tracy in that scenario. No way.
     
  13. 3814

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    i would.

    lose the best player in the deal, but his back injuries as well.

    gain the most important position in the game (along with C) and another proven stud Butler over a developing one with limitations (height for a sg).
     
  14. DeAleck

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    McGrady for Arenas... oh boy, you want Yao to kill himself?
     
  15. napalm

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    That's another reason why I wouldn't do the deal. IMO, Arenas ability to play within a team framework isn't as developed as that of Tracy's. Arenas still retains a selfish streak which won't fit in well with a player of Yao's caliber.
     
  16. Val

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    Hey isnt' this funny, but he's probably the best second round draft pick ever:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/2001.htm

    If you consider the fact that the top 10 players are no where near in talent as Arenas.

    1. Washington Kwame Brown 6-11 240 PF Glynn Acad. HSSr.
    2. LA Clippers Tyson Chandler 7-0 220 SF/PF Dominguez HSSr.
    3. x-Memphis
    Pau Gasol 7-1 220 SF FC Barcelona (Spain)
    4. Chicago Eddy Curry 6-11 300 C Thornwood HSSr.
    5. Golden State Jason Richardson 6-6 220 SG Michigan St. So.
    6. Memphis Shane Battier 6-9 225 SF Duke Sr.
    7. New Jersey Eddie Griffin 6-9 220 SF/PF Seton Hall Fr.
    8. Cleveland Sagana Diop 6-11 310 C Oak Hill HSSr.
    9. Detroit Rodney White 6-9 230 SF/PF Charlotte Fr.
    10. Boston Joe Johnson 6-9 225 SF Arkansas So.
     
  17. KellyDwyer

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    Of the modern era, easily, but guys like Willis Reed would beg to differ.

    He DOES have a chance to be the best ever of the guys drafted after 30. Right now my choice is Dennis Rodman, then Mark Price (same draft!), off the top of my head.
     
  18. topfive

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    The biggest problem with Francis is that his game requires that he be the focus of the offense in order to be effective. And he's simply not good enough to be the focus of the offense *and* get a team very far in the playoffs.
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    But if he had a good jump shot he wouldn't need to be the focus of the offense.
     
  20. tigermission1

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    He's a very good scorer, I think out of all the shoot-first, pass-second PGs in the league today (Steph, Stevie, AI) he's the best scorer because of his combination of size, quickness, shooting ability, and efficiency.

    The only reason he doesn't get that much attention is likely because his team has been mediocre and everyone knows they can't go anywhere in the playoffs.

    Also, I am not sure he's that marketable or well-liked by the fans.

    Overall, I put him in the same mold as Ray Allen and Michael Redd.

    But I agree with pgabriel on this one, what seperates Arenas from Starbury or Stevie is that he's a better jump-shooter and has more size. Stevie seems to have lost that for the most part, not sure why he let go of developing his jumpshot, that alone would have made him a hot prospect for any team in the league, regardless of his other weaknesses.

    Like Arenas, but definitely wouldn't build a team around him if winning a championship is the goal.

    I still think you need a dominant big man in this league to be worth anything. IMO, a dominant big man and a bunch of good-shooting role players around him would be an effective team. Another way is to pair the dominant big man with a dominant wing-player and some good shooters
     
    #20 tigermission1, Mar 20, 2006
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