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Getting rid of Empire & Getting the Republic Back in the USA

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  1. glynch

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    Evil Empire

    Is imperial liquidation possible for America?
    by Chalmers Johnson

    In politics, as in medicine, a cure based on a false diagnosis is almost always worthless, often worsening the condition that is supposed to be healed. The United States, today, suffers from a plethora of public ills. Most of them can be traced to the militarism and imperialism that have led to the near-collapse of our constitutional system of checks and balances. Unfortunately, none of the remedies proposed so far by American politicians or analysts addresses the root causes of the problem.
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    "None of the Democrats vying to replace President Bush is doing so with the promise of reviving the system of check and balances. … The aim of the party out of power is not to cut the presidency down to size but to seize it, not to reduce the prerogatives of the executive branch but to regain them."

    .... Among the "high crimes and misdemeanors" that, under other political circumstances, would surely constitute the constitutional grounds for impeachment are these: the president and his top officials pressured the Central Intelligence Agency to put together a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq's nuclear weapons that both the administration and the agency knew to be patently dishonest.

    They then used this false NIE to justify an American war of aggression. After launching an invasion of Iraq, the administration unilaterally reinterpreted international and domestic law to permit the torture of prisoners held at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and at other secret locations around the world.

    Nothing in the Constitution, least of all the commander-in-chief clause, allows the president to commit felonies. Nonetheless, within days after the 9/11 attacks, President Bush had signed a secret executive order authorizing a new policy of "extraordinary rendition," in which the CIA is allowed to kidnap terrorist suspects anywhere on Earth and transfer them to prisons in countries like Egypt, Syria, or Uzbekistan, where torture is a normal practice, or to secret CIA prisons outside the United States where agency operatives themselves do the torturing.

    On the home front, despite the post-9/11 congressional authorization of new surveillance powers to the administration, its officials chose to ignore these and, on its own initiative, undertook extensive spying on American citizens without obtaining the necessary judicial warrants and without reporting to Congress on this program. These actions are prima-facie violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (and subsequent revisions) and of Amendment IV of the Constitution.

    ..And six months after the Democratic Party took control of both houses of Congress, the prison at Guantánamo Bay was still open and conducting drumhead courts-martial of the prisoners held there; the CIA was still using "enhanced interrogation techniques" on prisoners in foreign jails; illegal intrusions into the privacy of American citizens continued unabated; and, more than 50 years after the CIA was founded, it continues to operate under, at best, the most perfunctory congressional oversight.

    ..Without question, the administration's catastrophic war in Iraq is the single overarching issue that has convinced a large majority of Americans that the country is "heading in the wrong direction." But the war itself is the outcome of an imperial presidency and the abject failure of Congress to perform its constitutional duty of oversight. Had the government been working as the authors of the Constitution intended, the war could not have occurred. Even now, the Democratic majority remains reluctant to use its power of the purse to cut off funding for the war, thereby ending the American occupation of Iraq and starting to curtail the ever growing power of the military-industrial complex.

    One major problem of the American social and political system is the failure of the press, especially television news, to inform the public about the true breadth of the unconstitutional activities

    ...nstead of uncovering administration lies and manipulations, the media actively promoted them. Yet the First Amendment to the Constitution protects the press precisely so it can penetrate the secrecy that is the bureaucrat's most powerful, self-protective weapon. As a result of this failure, democratic oversight of the government by an actively engaged citizenry did not – and could not – occur.

    The people of the United States became mere spectators as an array of ideological extremists, vested interests, and foreign operatives – including domestic neoconservatives, Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi exiles, the Israel Lobby, the petroleum and automobile industries, warmongers and profiteers allied with the military-industrial complex, and the entrenched interests of the professional military establishment – essentially hijacked the government.

    ..."All of the institutions we thought would protect us – particularly the press, but also the military, the bureaucracy, the Congress – they have failed. … So all the things that we expect would normally carry us through didn't. The biggest failure, I would argue, is the press," Semour Hersh"

    ...As a result of such multiple failures (still ongoing), the executive branch easily misled the American public.

    A Made-in-America Human Catastrophe

    Of the failings mentioned by Hersh, that of the military is particularly striking, resembling as it does the failures of the Vietnam era, 30-plus years earlier. One would have thought the high command had learned some lessons from the defeat of 1975. Instead, it once again went to war pumped up on our own propaganda – especially the conjoined beliefs that the United States was the "indispensable nation," the "lone superpower," and the "victor" in the Cold War; and that it was a new Rome the likes of which the world had never seen, possessing as it did – from the heavens to the remotest spot on the planet – "full-spectrum dominance."

    ...Instead of behaving in a professional manner, our military invaded Iraq with far too small a force; failed to respond adequately when parts of the Iraqi army (and Ba'ath Party) went underground; tolerated an orgy of looting and lawlessness throughout the country; disobeyed orders and ignored international obligations (including the obligation of an occupying power to protect the facilities and treasures of the occupied country ...


    Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in the first Iraq war and a consistent cheerleader for Bush strategies in the second, recently radically changed his tune. He now says, "No Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat, reporter, foreign NGO, nor contractor can walk the streets of Baghdad, nor Mosul, nor Kirkuk, nor Basra, nor Tikrit, nor Najaf, nor Ramadi, without heavily armed protection." In a different context, McCaffrey has concluded: "The U.S. Army is rapidly unraveling."

    Even military failure in Iraq is still being spun into an endless web of lies and distortions by the White House, the Pentagon, military pundits, and the now-routine reporting of propagandists disguised as journalistsSince August 2003, there have been over 1,050 car bombings in Iraq. One study estimates that through June 2006 the death toll f. For example, in the first months of 2007, rising car-bomb attacks in Baghdad were making a mockery of Bush administration ...
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    The Lancet, published a study conducted by researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad estimating that, since March 2003, there were some 601,027 more Iraqi deaths from violence than would have been expected without a war. The British and American governments at first dismissed the findings, claiming the research was based on faulty statistical methods – and the American media ignored the study, played down its importance, or dismissed its figures.

    On March 27, 2007, however, it was revealed that the chief scientific adviser to the British Ministry of Defense, Roy Anderson, had offered a more honest response. The methods used in the study were, he wrote, "close to best practice." Another British official described them as "a tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones." Over 600,000 violent deaths in a population estimated in 2006 at 26.8 million – that is, one in every 45 individuals – amounts to a made-in-America human catastrophe.

    One subject that the government, the military, and the news media try to avoid like the plague is the racist and murderous culture of rank-and-file American troops ...they do not see assaults on unarmed "rag heads" or "hajis" as murder. The cult of silence on this subject began to slip only slightly in May 2007 when a report prepared by the Army's Mental Health Advisory Team was leaked to the San Diego Union-Tribune. Based on anonymous surveys and focus groups involving 1,320 soldiers and 447 Marines, the study revealed that only 56 percent of soldiers would report a unit member for injuring or killing an innocent noncombatant, while a mere 40 percent of Marines would do so. ...

    The Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex

    Many other aspects of imperialism and militarism are undermining America's constitutional system. By now, for example, the privatization of military and intelligence functions is totally out of control, beyond the law, and beyond any form of congressional oversight. It is also incredibly lucrative for the owners and operators of so-called private military companies – and the money to pay for their activities ultimately comes from taxpayers through government contracts.

    Any accounting of these funds, largely distributed to crony companies with insider connections, is chaotic at best. Jeremy Scahill, author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army, estimates that there are 126,000 private military contractors in Iraq, more than enough to keep the war going, even if most official U.S. troops were withdrawn. "From the beginning," Scahill writes, "these contractors have been a major hidden story of the war, almost uncovered in the mainstream media and absolutely central to maintaining the U.S. occupation of Iraq."

    America's massive "military" budgets, still on the rise, are beginning to threaten the U.S. with bankruptcy, given that its trade and fiscal deficits already easily make it the world's largest net debtor natio
    n. Spending on the military establishment – sometimes mislabeled "defense spen.... According to calculations by the National Priorities Project, a nonprofit research organization that examines the local impact of federal spending policies, military spending today consumes 40 percent of every tax dollar.

    Equally alarming, it is virtually impossible for a member of Congress or an ordinary citizen to obtain even a modest handle on the actual size of military spending or its impact on the structure and functioning of our economic system. Some $30 billion of the official Defense Department (DOD) appropriation in the current fiscal year is "black," meaning that it is allegedly going for highly classified projects...

    The DOD always tries to minimize the size of its budget by representing it as a declining percentage of the gross national product. What it never reveals is that total military spending is actually many times larger than the official appropriation for the Defense Department. For fiscal year 2006, Robert Higgs of the Independent Institute calculated national security outlays at almost a trillion dollars – $934.9 billion to be exact – broken down as follows (in billions of dollars):
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    Totaled, the sum is larger than the combined sum spent by all other nations on military security.

    This spending helps sustain the national economy and represents, essentially, a major jobs program. However, it is beginning to crowd out the civilian economy, causing stagnation in income levels. It also contributes to the hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs to other countries. On May 1, 2007, the Center for Economic and Policy Research released a series of estimates on "the economic impact of the Iraq war and higher military spending." Its figures show, among other things, that, after an initial demand stimulus, the effect of a significant rise in military spending (as we've experienced in recent years) turns negative around the sixth year.

    Sooner or later, higher military spending forces inflation and interest rates up, reducing demand in interest-sensitive sectors of the economy, notably in annual car and truck sales. Job losses follow. The nonmilitary construction and manufacturing sectors experience the largest share of these losses. The report concludes, "Most economic models show that military spending diverts resources from productive uses, such as consumption and investment, and ultimately slows economic growth and reduces employment."

    Imperial Liquidation?

    Imperialism and militarism have thus begun to imperil both the financial and social well-being of our republic....

    I believe that there is only one solution to the crisis we face. The American people must make the decision to dismantle both the empire that has been created in their name and the huge (still growing) military establishment that undergirds it. It is a task at least comparable to that undertaken by the British government when, after World War II, it liquidated the British Empire. By doing so, Britain avoided the fate of the Roman Republic
    – becoming a domestic tyranny and losing its democracy, as would have been required if it had continued to try to dominate much of the world by force.

    For the U.S., the decision to mount such a campaign of imperial liquidation may already come too late, given the vast and deeply entrenched interests of the military-industrial complex. To succeed, such an endeavor might virtually require a revolutionary mobilization of the American citizenry, one at least comparable to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

    ...o. Two cardinal decisions would have to be made. First, in Iraq, we would have to initiate a firm timetable for withdrawing all our military forces and turning over the permanent military bases we have built to the Iraqis. Second, domestically, we would have to reverse federal budget priorities.

    In the words of Noam Chomsky, a venerable critic of American imperialism: "Where spending is rising, as in military supplemental bills to conduct the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would sharply decline. Where spending is steady or declining (health, education, job training, the promotion of energy conservation and renewable energy sources, veterans benefits, funding for the UN and UN peacekeeping operations, and so on), it would sharply increase. Bush's tax cuts for people with incomes over $200,000 a year would be immediately rescinded."

    ... we would have to launch an orderly closing-up process for at least 700 of the 737 military bases we maintain (by official Pentagon count) in over 130 foreign countries on every continent except Antarctica. We should ultimately aim at closing all our imperialist enclaves, but in order to avoid isolationism and maintain a capacity to assist the United Nations in global peacekeeping operations, we should, for the time being, probably retain some 37 of them, mostly naval and air bases.

    Equally important, we should rewrite all our Status of Forces Agreements – those American-dictated "agreements" that exempt our troops based in foreign countries from local criminal laws, taxes, immigration controls, anti-pollution legislation, and anything else the American military can think of. It must be established as a matter of principle and law that American forces stationed outside the U.S. will deal with their host nations on a basis of equality, not of extraterritorial privilege.

    The American approach to diplomatic relations with the rest of the world would also require a major overhaul. We would have to end our belligerent unilateralism toward other countries as well as our scofflaw behavior regarding international law.

    Our objective should be to strengthen the United Nations, including our respect for its majority, by working to end the Security Council veto system (and by stopping using our present right to veto). The United States needs to cease being the world's largest supplier of arms and munitions ... Our goal should be a return to leading by example – and by sound arguments – rather than by continual resort to unilateral armed force and repeated foreign military interventions.

    In terms of the organization of the executive branch, we need to rewrite the National Security Act of 1947, taking away from the CIA all functions that involve sabotage, torture, subversion, overseas election-rigging, rendition, and other forms of clandestine activity.

    The president should be deprived of his power to order these types of operations except with the explicit advice and consent of the Senate. The CIA should basically devote itself to the collection and analysis of foreign intelligence. We should eliminate as much secrecy as possible so that neither the CIA, nor any other comparable organization ever again becomes the president's private army.

    Normally, a proposed list of reforms like this would simply be rejected as utopian. I understand this reaction. I do want to stress, however, that failure to undertake such reforms would mean condemning the United States to the fate that befell the Roman Republic and all other empires since then. That is why I gave my book Nemesis the subtitle "The Last Days of the American Republic."
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    I believe that, if we leave Iraq and our other imperial enclaves, we can regain the moral high ground and disavow the need for a foreign policy based on preventive war. I also believe that unless we follow this path, we will lose our democracy and then it will not matter much what else we lose. In the immortal words of Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Chalmers Johnson is the author of Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic (New York: Metropolitan Books, 2007). It is the final volume of his Blowback Trilogy.

    Copyright 2007 Chalmers Johnson

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  2. halfbreed

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    I never got this type of thread. Why don't you just say what you feel instead of relying on someone else to say it?
     
  3. bingsha10

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    So you're a Ron Paul supporter?
     
  4. Saint Louis

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    Is somebody having a liquidation sale?
     
  5. glynch

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    If I just said what I feel, you would crticize me for not giving enough facts.

    BTW what type of half breed are you?

    I provided the article for your education. Can't blame me for trying. However as a half breed, I assume you are only half way educable.
     
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    With 700 bases and their stuff up for grabs, we better keep a close eye on things or those old generals not to mention the Bush cronies will get all the stuff at one cent on the dollar.
     
  7. halfbreed

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    ...umm...lol? :confused:

    First of all, you didn't give any facts. You gave an article that contained some facts and mostly opinion. You could have just as easily taken the facts and pointed to them while giving your own opinion.

    Also, your comment about "half breed" meaning I'm half way educable doesn't make sense.My moniker doesn't say "halfwit" or "halfbrain" otherwise what you said might be funny and someone might actually laugh. As it is, it seems to be somewhat racist because you're saying that one of the "breeds" that I'm composed of can't be educated. :eek:
     
  8. Deji McGever

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    While I have not much in common with Ron Paul socially, I think he's the only presidential candidate who can be trusted to decrease the power of the executive branch. His track records as a spoiler to spending bills makes me feel pretty sure about this. The guy is consistent, and would be able to answer to the concerns raised here.

    This article is right. It's not like any of these clowns want to fix the abuses of power. They just want it for themselves. Even if their intentions seem benign, and they advocate something I like, it's a frightening precedent.

    The problem is, Paul is very socially conservative. He's too populist and libertarian to illicit funding from corporate interests (which he's not friendly to) and he would advocate massive cuts in the size of government (including the military) that pale in comparison to Clinton.

    I think these things make him too taboo for the average US Democrat or Republican to vote for him. Outside of him, you'd pretty much have to vote Libertarian or Green to find someone that was as committed to reducing the intrusiveness (and corruption) of government and the blank check mentality.

    We are evolving into the British East India Tea company Part two, except it's military-petrochemical instead of tea-opium. Our system is promoting capitalism at the expensive of freedom, and I don't think voting for Obama or Clinton or Edwards is going to change that.

    Our politicians are so owned they should be force to wear patches on their suits like racecar drivers so we know what corporations and NGO's and other lobby groups feed them. The patches should be sized in proportion to the funding they receive.

    Then, when we see them on a stage debating, they wouldn't have to say anything.
     
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  9. Sishir Chang

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    Just wanted to address this. Actually "high crimes and misdemeanors" mean whatever Congress wants them to mean. Impeachment is quasi legal but its a political exercise. Congress could impeach the President for picking his nose or could not impeach him if he shot somebody.

    I agree that we have an imperial presidency but their are two solutions to that. One is divided government and two is an involved electorate. When Congress and the Executive are controlled by different parties is the only time you will see them checking each other.
     
  10. Saint Louis

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    I'll take an Abrams M-1 battle tank for when I have to make a trip up to Phoenix. That should get those rude a$$ Valley of the Sun drivers out of my way. Plus I plan to fire upon any car or truck with a Suns bumper sticker.
     
  11. Sishir Chang

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    Yeah but the gas mileage really sucks along with its a real pain getting service.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    what is your complaint. most threads are started by articles, either editorials or news related. of course most people post articles following their stances. its pretty much the point of a forum.
     
  13. halfbreed

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    When most people post an article it's an article about an event that happened or a new study or something. This is an op-ed piece. If it was the poster's opinion, why rely on someone else to say it? I can imagine posting it and then commenting on it, of course.
     
  14. jo mama

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    so how do you feel about certain posters (basso) who post random blogs all the time?

    just for the record, you dont think this is a place for op-ed pieces to be posted?

    as for the article, some points were raised about the press and their compliance - there is no truly independent journalism when it comes to mainstream media. what do you expect when the press is owned by companies which also own defense contractors doing buisness w/ the government? they are all interrelated - g.e. is the most obvious. they are the 9th biggest defense contractor. abc is owned by a company founded by bill casey, cia director under reagan. they bought them in the 80's.

    there is no question that bush has committed a number of felonies - if the law was applied he and his administration would be locked up for a very long time.
     
  15. glynch

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    Very weak. There are a lot of facts to back up the opinion piece by Chalmers Johnson, a proponent of the Vietnam War and a well know Asian historian, who has changed his views wrt to America and its role overseas as he has aged.

    I'm not sure where you came up with your op/ed vs new thing wrt to what most people do.

    I think you just don't like the opinion expressed, don't know how to rebut it and so are just complaining. You can "imagine" "commenting on it". Well, do so.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    the irony is him saying that you need to say what you want to say.

    as someone else pointed out, basso is the king of the op ed.
     
  17. langal

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    I was picking my nose as I read this. eery...
     
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    Getting rid of Empire & Getting the Republic Back in the USA?

    Well Wolfowitz helped towards the path of that today!

    bah'bye Wolfie!

    :D

    [edit] Could we get a 7-10 split and have Gonzo resign tomorrow? What a lovely week!
     
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    I don't know, we've benefited greatly over the decades from this liberal empire we have. May be we should try to be less overbearing, more 'covert', but not abolish it all together.

    I think we just need a more 'sane' administration that will take us back to the status quo of putting a kinder, gentler face on our foreign policy.

    Don't give up our privileges just yet; the Chinese will have their own century...
     
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  20. vlaurelio

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    so what? no one ever posted an op ed piece in here? majority of articles here in D&D are op ed
     

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