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german army instructor racist....very sad to see this happen today

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xenochimera, Apr 15, 2007.

  1. Xenochimera

    Xenochimera Member

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070415/ap_on_re_eu/germany_army_video;_ylt=AjCDabd2vYt0QAnfxMrlmIlvaA8F

    BERLIN - A Germany army instructor who ordered a soldier to envision himself facing hostile blacks in New York while firing his machine gun is still on duty, the army said Sunday.
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    A video of the army instructor telling the soldier to shoot and yell obscenities while thinking of African-Americans in the Bronx aired on German national television Saturday and prompted calls for an apology by the New York City borough's president.

    When asked Sunday if the army would apologize, spokesman Florian Naggies said, "The German Army takes the incident very serious and is interested in quickly resolving it."

    Naggies said that the case is under investigation, and the instructor "is still working for the army."

    The video shows an instructor and a soldier in camouflage uniforms in a forest. The instructor tells the soldier, "You are in the Bronx. A black van is stopping in front of you. Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways. ... Act."

    The soldier fires his machine gun several times and yells an obscenity several times in English. The instructor then tells the soldier to curse even louder.

    The German Defense Ministry said the video was shot in July 2006 at barracks in the northern town of Rendsburg and that the army has been aware of it since January.

    U.S. Rep. Jose Serrano (news, bio, voting record), whose district covers parts of the Bronx, sent a letter to Germany's ambassador to the United States on Sunday, condemning the video and asking for an apology.

    "What purpose would the German Army have in training its soldiers to shoot African-Americans? Why would the trainees need to imagine themselves in the Bronx?" his letter said. "I cannot think of reasonable responses to these questions and so am left with the unpleasant impression that this training demonstrates a particularly denigrating and seemingly racist attitude that may in fact be prevalent among some elements of the German Defense forces."

    Bronx Borough President Adolfo Carrion Jr. said Saturday that whoever was responsible for the video should be disciplined.

    "The German government obviously has work to do to correct something that is insidious. ... Clearly these folks don't know anything about African-Americans or the Bronx," he said.


    reminds of gestapo tactics or something clearly something is wrong here. hopefully its an isolated incident.
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    The German folk can turn scrap metal into awesome weaponry...
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    I'm black, but I also saw Full Metal Jacket and took JROTC in High school with some crazy old Marines, so I gotta figure drill sergeants say all kinds of crazy sh*t to motivate young guys to fire a gun. No more videotaping of military training, I guess. I really don't want to read these stories anymore, but I guess Germany will always have a Holocaust's worth of racial baggage, so if they want to hold each other accountable, I dunno. We blacks should ask ourselves where and how the German sergeant got these impressions halfway across the damn globe, couldn't possibly have come from movies, music or stand-up comedy that still makes some of us millions of dollars.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    The guy should have been fired.
     
  5. Deji McGever

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    Why does Sir Jackie hate Germany?
    Doesn't he support his troops?

    He must be a democrat.

    Seriously...it is wrong...but I remember football coaches in high school saying worse.
     
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  6. jo mama

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    i think yall are overreacting here. its germany, for crying out loud! what have they ever done?
     
  7. Sishir Chang

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    So can Iraqi insurgents. That's no reason to admire them.
     
  8. tigermission1

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    I see you haven't met ROXRAN ;)
     
  9. No Worries

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    This is non-story. Racism is alive and well outside of the USA. At least in the USA, we expect better behavior wrt racism, while in the rest of the world this is sadly not the case.
     
  10. pippendagimp

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    The N-word is pretty much common vocabulary in Germany to describe blacks. Although I'm not sure people there would say it directly to someone's face. But racism and discrimination is still quite prevalent in most parts of Germany. Even against other Germans. People from the former communist regions are derided as "Easties," for instance.
     
  11. Pole

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    Don't they have African-Germans to hate?
     
  12. NewYorker

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    Is this any different from our army using scenarios involving Arab terrorists though? "Imagine you are in Sudan, and a black van pulls up and out jump three Islamic fundamentalists - act!"
     
  13. MadMax

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    ummm..we're actually in the middle east fighting Islamic fundamentalists. i was unaware the Germans declared war on the Bronx. this is the German army training for war against American civilians? fantastic!!!
     
  14. NewYorker

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    True - but is that the litmus test? I mean, it seems something more built of an action movie than really hatred directed toward african americans. Plus Germany really isn't fighting anyone right now - so who are they suppose to use?

    Sounds like to me that he was trying to conjure up a scary situation - and let's face it, a black van in the bronx with three african americans jumping out and looking tough is pretty scary regardless of who you are.

    Might me more a statement about the bronx than anything else. I mean, it's fantasy - I don't think it was intended to be racist.
     
  15. MadMax

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    racist or not...why US civilians? i don't get it.

    but i do realize it's your schtick to take the contrarian viewpoint! :D
     
  16. No Worries

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    I blame Bush :)
     
  17. Rocket River

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    so it is the fault of Black People?

    Rocket River
     
  18. Deji McGever

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    um...the Taliban?
     
  19. NewYorker

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    I think what happened here is that it's more about thinking of a movie situation - let's face, American action movies are watched all over, and it's not that hard to conceive of someone thinking of a dangerous situation and conjuring up something they saw in a movie.

    Yeah, I am contrarian - more because I'm a skeptic and think there's always more than meets the eye to any situation. Anyway, I don't think this is as bad as people are making it out to be.

    It's funny, most of the times, things get taken out of context and really don't seem so bad if you assoicated with people or knew the people. For all we knew, the german guy could have made up 50 examples and it just so happened the one about Blacks/Americans got recorded on tape. Sucks for him. Certainly eye-brow raising, but we need more evidence before jumping to conclusions - that's all I am really saying.
     
  20. NewYorker

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    well, there went that arguement.
     

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