Gerald Wallace declares for Draft.

YOu cant make any decision on a guy like this yet and I personally wouldn't take him right now. It jsut makes me think of Harold Minor.

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Unless he shrinks 3 to 4 inches like Minor, I think he'll have more value. But I would take a very cautious approach to Wallace. Plays a lot like Shawn Marion, but he hasn't showed me enough to be convinced he's going to be a sure fire pick.

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Wallace could hold guys like Kobe and McGrady? I think your over stating yourself there. Anyways, just because the guy is athletic doesn't mean he's a good pick, he has absolutly no jump shot. You can get by like that in college, but if he is to excel in the NBA he has to do more than just dunk.

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Exactly. He might be great, he might not; I never saw him play. But methinks the new zone rules are designed to force kids to learn how to shoot and pass and everything else, rather than take mega-bucks just 'cause they can leap over tall buildings in a single bound.

But it's good he's coming out, despite what I just wrote. The more the merrier in this draft.

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Right now, Wallace is Chris Porter. No shot, great athleticism.

Maybe give him a chance at 18 or 22, but there's no way a guy with a shot as suspect as his that he'll go to the Rockets in the lotto.

He didn't even have a better year than Maggette.

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Wallace isn't merely another Chris Porter either. He has tremendous lateral quickness, something that Porter does not possess.

Rockets do need a strong swing defender, especially against the taller swing men who the Rockets couldn't stop this year, like Paul Pierce, McGrady, HOuston, and Bryant. Especially Pierce and McGrady because I felt the Rockets had absolutely no one that could match up with them or slow them down.

Wallace's defense is one of his strong suits at this point. But we'll see what happens with him. His biggest trump card in high school was that he dominated Darius Miles, holding Miles to something to something like 2 points in that game.

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Only 4 guys get drafted between 13 and 18. If wallace is there at 13, it would be advantageous to the rockets to take him. With the 18, the anti-Wallace Morris can be selected.

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I would take Wallace with any of our draft picks, even #13(Unless we land a top 3 pick)

Nike, Vince Carter was like that coming out of college as well.

He could definitely fill our Second/Third scorer when he's ready(In about 3 years)

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I can not figure out why you guys are so high on this guy? He has good defensive skills, great, we already have a defensive stopper in Shandon, at least he's capable of scoring some point when he gets shots. This guy shot 17% from the COLLEGE three point line and only averaged 6 point a game during the SEC season. If he only shot 17% from the arc in college, he'll shoot less than 10% in the NBA. There is no way this guy is worth a lottery pick, and as ESPN said, he'll likely fall into the second round.

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"Vince Carter was like that coming out of college as well."

Vince Carter was a 2nd team All-American his last year, and an honorable mention All-American the year before. He shot over 40% from 3 ball land his junior year. I don't know why people keep having this misconception of Vince in college. He could play back then. He was a good shooter then and a better shooter now. Combined that with being the best athlete in the NBA and you've got a heck of a player.

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I know that Vince was already an incredible player back in college, but his "J" was nowhere as good as it is now.

He had the really bad form, too much arm, not enough leg, no consistency. And he had NO mid-range game. It was either a dunk or a open shot at the Arc after a post-up of Jamison.

That was in his junior year.

Wallace was a freshman.

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No,Mcgrady didn't have as many shots, confidence,or playing time until this year. He could shoot the ball.

You should worry about the shooting ability of a player like Wallace.At least look at his mechanics and see if it's easily correctable.

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Vince did show an in between game in college. Classic example, his very last game against Utah in the Final Four. While Jamison struggled trying to score inside against Doleac and Utah was pulling away, it was Vince who took over the game with a barrage of fadeaways, turnarounds and middle distance jumpers to keep Carolina close.

Carter was a consistent outside shooter in college. He shot over 40% from 3 point land. It wasn't like he shot one or two 3's. He was second on the team behind Shammond Williams in 3 point attempts. He could have showcased a lot more in college, but he never got the chance to in the Dean Smith, 4 corners system. Carter fell victim to the system, a lot like MJ and Stackhouse did. His form back isn't really that different compared to now. His set 3's is the same damn form. He didn't shoot a lot of shots coming off screens or on iso situations like he does now, so it's hard to compare his form in those situations. Who cares about whether his form is ugly or whether he gets enough elevation on his shot or whether he uses too much arm. It's whatever works for a player. That description describes Larry Bird's shooting style. Reggie Miller doesn't exactly have a textbook release. Kenny Smith's shot was just damn ugly. Clyde used a little too much elevation on his shot. Miles Simon form was from a bad Stephen King novel. Reggie Freeman's release was terrible. As long as a player is effective shooting the ball, it doesn't matter what his form is like.

Anyways, the point is you tried comparing Vince Carter's jumper to Gerald Wallace's when they both left college.

"Vince Carter was like that coming out of college as well."

It's no comparison. For the sake of the argument, the point about Carter being a junior and Wallace being a freshmen is moot. The comparison is not with respect to their age or class status, it's with respect to when both left college. Carter's jumper was considered good coming out of college. Wallace's jumper is considered suspect.

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Believe it or not, due to the unusual amount of big guys in this draft going early, I believe he will still be there at #18. This will be known as the draft of the Center, and everyone will be greedy. Hopefully Houston will use Free Agency or trades to solve this problem, (Jackson/LaFrentz) and grab the talent at other positions.

But I think Troy Murphy, Ousmane Cisse, Richard Jefferson, Pau Gausol, Joe Forte, and maybe even Rodney White will still be there.

It would not surprise me to see it go:

Chicago - Yao Ming (C)
Golden State - Eddy Curry (C/PF)
Washington - Kwame Brown (PF)
Vancouver - Tyson Chandler (C/PF)
Atlanta - Jason Richardson (SG/SF)
New Jersey - Desagana Diop (C)
Cleveland - Loren Wooods (C)
LAC - Zach Randolf (PF)
Detroit - Eddie Griffin (SF)
Boston - Brendan Haywood (C)
Boston - Jamaal Tinsley (PG)
Seattle - Michael Bradley (PF)
Houston - Shane Battier (SF)
Golden State - Dajaun Wagner (PG/SG)
Orlando - Ken Johnson (C)
Charlotte - Joe Johnson (SG)
Toronto - Rodney White (SF/PF)
Houston - Gerald Wallace (SG/SF)
Portland - Richard Jefferson (SF)
Cleveland - Troy Murphy (PF)
Denver - Ousmane Cisse (PF)
Houston - Pau Gausal (SF/PF)

If you already had Battier, and could pick up Wallace, but Troy Murphy and Ousmane Cisse were still there, would you take one of them instead?

I have to admit, getting Battier, Wallace, and Gausol from one draft would be friggin' amazing. I expect that Houston will utilize one or two of their picks in a trade, though.

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I'm in ACC country and, if memory serves me correct, Vince Carter was considered a very large disappointment after his freshman year. He still struggled some as a sophomore and got with the program as a junior.

Maybe that's what will happen with Wallace?

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You memory does serve you correct. Vince was a disappoint his freshman year. Jamison was the frosh who made the big splash, when everyone thought Vince was the next big thing. His second season, he finished 2nd team all ACC if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe Wallace would have followed Vince's path if he would have stayed at Alabama. But we don't know. But you also have to take into consideration that Vince struggled to get PT on a much more talented Alabama team. He had guys like Jeff Mcinnis and Shammond Williams ahead of him on the depth chart. His PT was limited due to the talent around him. Wallace's PT is limited more so due to the fact that he didn't seize the opportunity. There's just a lot of unanswered questions with Wallace. I wouldn't feel very comfortable drafting a frosh coming off a relatively disappointing year. But there's no question he is a talent.

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