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Gammons chimes in on the Astros

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by countingcrow, Aug 27, 2001.

  1. countingcrow

    countingcrow Contributing Member

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    From Gammons's Mailbag:

    Q: Who is your dark horse for winning the whole thing? -- Patrick Hayes, Camilla, Ga.

    PWG: The Houston Astros. Their bullpen is so deep, and their young starters have so much life. If the team can just hit the good right-handed pitchers, they are scary.

    DIAMOND NOTES: Aug. 18

    Astros owner Drayton McLane is a man of the heart, and he wears that heart right to his clubhouse locker, which is plunked between those of Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio. McLane has told his people he's going to lose money this season despite drawing 2.9 million, but he opened his wallet for Pedro Astacio. McLane and all the Astros know this is an important year for them, because next year the NFL expansion team will be competing for the media attention and entertainment dollars -- in a football area -- and Astacio, Moises Alou, Mike Williams and Vinny Castilla are among their potential free agents. Their priority this offseason will be finding a legit center fielder, but they are few and far between.


    From Jayson Stark's column:

    Jump of the week

    Even the Elias Sports Bureau doesn't keep stats on this sort of thing. But we're pretty sure Phillies spring champ Brian Hunter made history Wednesday against the Astros:

    Biggest jump in the history of baseball.

    While leading off second in the fourth inning, Hunter saw Wade Miller go into a quasi-windup and thought: "If he does this again, I'll have to take off." So on the next pitch, Hunter did indeed break for third.

    Except "break" might not be the right word here.

    Because by the time the ball left Miller's hand, Hunter had reached the dirt cutout around third base.

    So by our calculations, his "jump" was 80 feet.

    "It was like a cartoon," said Phillies pitcher Robert Person.

    Needless to say, Hunter made it into third standing up, then gave a kidding nod at his old teammate, catcher Brad Ausmus.

    "I guess Brad figured he didn't have much chance to throw me out," Hunter chuckled.

    "Why'd he hold it?"

    Hunter's jump was so humongous, it made some observers wonder whether anyone had ever stolen third base and home on the same pitch.
    If ever a guy had a chance to do it, this was it.

    "He was rounding third," said Phillies broadcast-humorist Larry Andersen. "But they held him up."

    From Jim Capel's column @ ESPN.com:

    While official baseball weights are as reliable as the weight listed on your drivers license, at a listed weight of 145 pounds, rookie Houston starter Carlos Hernandez is 100 pounds lighter than Boston reliever Richard Garces' listed weight of 245 (yeah, right). He is 10 pounds lighter than the next lightest listed weight, Florida's Jesus Sanchez's 155, and 130 pounds lighter than the highest official weight of 275 for Anaheim's Mo Vaughn. (Tony Gwynn and David Wells, by the way, are listed at 225 and 235, respectively). ...

    From the Chronicle:

    Astacio update

    Pedro Astacio will have an MRI on his stiff right shoulder today in Houston.

    He played catch this weekend and reported discomfort, but today's exam should help the Astros decide how to proceed with him.



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  2. countingcrow

    countingcrow Contributing Member

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    FYI:

    Tuesday night's Astros-Reds game will not be televised by Fox Sports Net. Both the TV Guide and the Chronicle list it as being televised, but this blackout is another result of the Time Warner-FSN arrangement. Thursday's 3pm game against the Reds also will not be televised.
     
  3. Timing

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    Drayton is losing money? LOL I don't know about that.
     
  4. JayZ750

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    How do you mean? Do you think he is lying? Will Drayton ever get a break? He seems to be one of the better pro sports team owners to me. I could be wrong though.
     
  5. SamCassell

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    I saw that too. It's a load of bull****. He's drawing huge numbers, at higher prices than at the Dome, and has a sweet deal/lease on the stadium and profits (like naming rights, etc.), courtesy taxpayer expense. Subtract from that a relatively modest payroll (in today's terms), and there's no way he's losing money. Statements like that worry me, because they indicate that he's not willing to increase payroll when it becomes necessary (whether it is Alou's contract next season or Berkman or our young pitchers a couple of years down the line).
     
  6. Major

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    <B>I saw that too. It's a load of bull****. He's drawing huge numbers, at higher prices than at the Dome, and has a sweet deal/lease on the stadium and profits (like naming rights, etc.),</B>

    While I'm not defending Drayton, this isn't true. The Astros have the most expensive stadium lease in baseball ($9M, I believe, compared to ~$1M for the Rangers). They also have some of the cheapest tickets in baseball. For comparison, the Astros best non-suite seats (right behind homeplate) are cheaper than 2nd-deck Rangers tickets.

    Since the owners don't open their books, its hard to say if he's making a profit or not, but his revenue streams are far less & expenses higher than many other teams with new stadiums
     
  7. Timing

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    These are opening day player salaries, the Astros ranked 17th. More data to follow as I find it. heheh

    Player salaries
    Opening Day Team Payrolls Comparison
    The 2001 payrolls and average salaries for the Opening Day rosters of the 30 major league teams:
    Team Payroll Average
    New York-AL $109,791,893 $3,541,674
    Boston $109,558,908 $3,423,716
    Los Angeles $108,980,952 $3,757,964
    New York-NL $93,174,428 $3,327,658
    Cleveland $91,974,979 $3,065,833
    Atlanta $91,851,687 $2,962,958
    Texas $88,504,421 $2,854,981
    Arizona $81,206,513 $2,900,233
    St. Louis $77,270,855 $2,664,512
    Toronto $75,798,500 $2,707,089
    Seattle $75,652,500 $2,701,875
    Baltimore $72,426,328 $2,497,460
    Colorado $71,068,000 $2,632,148
    Chicago-NL $64,015,833 $2,462,147
    San Francisco $63,332,667 $2,345,654
    Chicago-AL $62,363,000 $2,309,741
    Houston $60,382,667 $2,236,395
    Tampa Bay $54,951,602 $2,035,245
    Pittsburgh $52,698,333 $1,699,946
    Detroit $49,831,167 $1,779,685
    Anaheim $46,568,180 $1,502,199
    Cincinnati $45,227,882 $1,739,534
    Milwaukee $43,089,333 $1,595,901
    Philadelphia $41,664,167 $1,602,468
    San Diego $38,333,117 $1,419,745
    Kansas City $35,643,000 $1,229,069
    Florida $35,504,167 $1,183,472
    Montreal $34,774,500 $1,159,150
    Oakland $33,810,750 $1,252,250
    Minnesota $24,350,000 $901,852
    *Figures were obtained by The Associated Press from management and player sources and include salaries and pro-rated shares of signing bonuses and other guaranteed income.
     
  8. SamCassell

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    shanna, where have you shown me that what I said wasn't true? The stadium deal, which did give Drayton naming rights, was financed only 28% by the Stros/private funding. The public picked up 72%. Compare that to the Giants, who payed for their stadium entirely through private funding. Also, according to this article, the average ticket price jumped 50.4 percent from the Astrodome to the new stadium, to $20.01 (#8 in baseball). That's last year's number, but I would be surprised if we were significantly lower on the last this season.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/04/04/ticket_prices_ap/
     
  9. Timing

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    The Astros are 12th in home attendance this year. 17th payroll, 12th attendance, and 8th in average ticket price? Hmmm...

    2001 Attendance Home

    1 Seattle 42,787
    2 NY Yankees 41,493 65
    3 San Francisco 40,800
    4 Colorado 40,731
    5 Cleveland 39,887
    6 St. Louis 38,695
    7 Baltimore 38,012
    8 Los Angeles 36,652
    9 Texas 36,466
    10 Milwaukee 35,873 63
    11 Chicago Cubs 35,519
    12 Houston 35,148
    13 Atlanta 35,107
    14 NY Mets 34,851
    15 Arizona 33,283
    16 Boston 32,630
    17 Pittsburgh 32,043
    18 San Diego 28,959
    19 Oakland 26,715
    20 Anaheim 25,827
    21 Cincinnati 24,635
    22 Detroit 24,382
    23 Minnesota 23,763
    24 Toronto 23,448
    25 Philadelphia 23,188
    26 Chicago WS 22,783
    27 Kansas City 20,252
    28 Florida 16,773
    29 Tampa Bay 16,319
    30 Montreal 8,621
     
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    Of course you also have to consider the HUGE franchise apreciation value due to the new stadium. The non-financial benefits of being a MLB -club owner are also very significant. I refuse to pity any owner who cries poor while owning a franchise worth approx 100 million dollars.
     
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    If Drayton is losing money, why does he even own a baseball team - I don't think its simply out of the goodness of his heart.

    Remember, not too long ago MLB tried to tell us that all but two or three teams in the league were losing money, which was shown to be complete and utter crap.

    And of course, Drayton may simply be firing a few shots in a new labor disagreement.
     
  12. Timing

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    The Astros are worth a heck of a lot more than $100 million. According to Forbes, the Astros were valued at $280 million in 2000. I'm sure that figure must be higher this year.

    Franchise Values
    according to Forbes Magazine
    Team Value
    1. New York Yankees $548
    2. Atlanta Braves $388
    3. Cleveland Indians $364
    4. Baltimore Orioles $347
    5. Los Angeles Dodgers $325
    6. New York Mets $314
    7. Colorado Rockies $305
    8. Texas Rangers $294
    9. Seattle Mariners $290
    10. Boston Red Sox $284
    11. Houston Astros $280
    12. Arizona Diamondbacks $268
    13. Chicago Cubs $242
    14. San Francisco Giants $237
    15. St. Louis Cardinals $219
    16. Detroit Tigers $200
    17. San Diego Padres $197
    18. Anaheim Angels $195
    19. Cincinnati Reds $175
    20. Milwaukee Brewers $167
    21. Chicago White Sox $166
    22. Tampa Bay Devil Rays $163
    23. Toronto Blue Jays $162
    24. Pittsburgh Pirates $161
    25. Philadelphia Phillies $150
    26. Oakland Athletics $134
    27. Florida Marlins $125
    28. Kansas City Royals $122
    29. Minnesota Twins $91
    30. Montreal Expos $89
    League Averages $233
    * All figures in millions
     
  13. Tolpatcsh Verkinder

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    The Future is Bright.

    Jackie Moore, Jason Lane and Tim Redding were named Manager, Player and Pitcher of the Year Respectively in the Texas League. Only the 6th time in history that one team has swept all three awards.

    It should've happened last year, but Oswalt was robbed.
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Who was selected pitcher of the year last year over Oswalt?
     
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    Bud Smith.

    He's a very good pitcher, and had a hell of a year, but he won the award based on two fantastic performances - but Oswalt was better over the entire year.
     
  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Smith was 12-1 with a 2.32 ERA in AA and threw 2 no hitters. It is hard to say that Oswalt was "robbed". Oswalt was 11-4 with an outstanding ERA of 1.94. Either pitcher would have been deserving of the award.
     

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