Well I hope he is the houston rockets future power forward, His name...... KENYON MARTIN! This guy is amazing. Tonight Cincinnati played Oklahoma on ESPN. I remember someone in here is a BIG Najera fan. And tonight martin and najera were at it. But Martin showed him that he needs to learn how to play with the big boys. Kenyon Martin had 6 points in 6 minutes in the first half, He was in foul trouble. But second half was another story. He was a monster on both ends of the floor and his final stat was. 23 points 11-13 shooting 9 rebounds 3 blocks I seen all his games this year and I think that he is the best in college right now. He is a power forward that runs and plays great d and can score. He kind of reminds me of Alonzo Mourning but kenyon is just shorter. He is 6'9 and weighs 230. But that 230 is alll muscle, no fat. I hate tanking a season to get a good player but i think we should. Next years lineup CATO MARTIN ANDERSON MOBLEY FRANCIS THE FUTURE OF THE NBA ------------------- what do you guys think? [This message has been edited by Francis3 (edited December 22, 1999).]
I was the one who said Najera was a good player and I still think he is. Martin was tremendous and looks like he could be a great big man in the NBA. The Sooners played as bad as they possibly could have and Eduardo played as bad as he could have, but still managed a double-double(16 pts, 11 reb) while playing with the flu. I can't believe the announcers did not mention Eduardo was sick. Martin was great, but Eduardo is definitely a better player than showcased tonight. Trust me Francis3 Eduardo can play with the big boys. I would've liked to see Martin get a double-double playing sick like Najera was. Try basing your judgment on more than one game.
They are both good PFs. I think a lineup of: Cato Martin Rogers Anderson Francis would cause a few more matchup problems.
Najera is ok.. But he cant handle playing with the BIG BOYS!. ANd thats Kenyon Martin. Kenyon Martin is above his league, Martin has to be a houston rocket.
Najera is better than ok. What does it take for him to get credit. He averages more points a game than Martin and almost the same number of rebounds. Najera played with the flu tonight and last Saturday. I guess averaging 28 pts, 15 rebs in the NCAA tournament is okay. I'm just saying, don't base how good a player is on one game. Kenyon Martin played out of his mind tonight and Oklahoma played as bad as they have all season. Talk to me after the tournament, when it really counts.
Najera doesnt have what it takes to become a great player in the nba. He is a college boy. He is not on a great team so he shoots the ball alot and makes them. Martin being compared to Najera .. is Francis being compared to Drew.
Soon....Sorry to argue with you my Astros Rocket bud, but as far as who is possibly more the real deal. Its definately Kenyon. The Kid didn't just play unreal tonight, he plays that way all the time. And would score as much as Big ED if he saw the same minutes (Cincy is far more talented top to bottom). Kenyon's biggest attribute over Ed is sheer unadulterated, raw atheleticism. Something, no matter how hard you try, can not be coached, or improved. The two are putting up similar numbers, except Kenyon is definately going to be more apt at playing D in the professional level. Right now Kenyon's stock has to have him in the top 7 picks if not the top 5. I forsee Eduardo going more like 10-15. Depending of course on who's drafting and what the needs are of particular teams.
I see your point DreamShake, but I still don't think Martin can shoot 85%(11-13 FGs) from the field. Eduardo usually shoots about 50% and Martin about 50%. Eduardo shot 24%(5-21) tonight and if he hits his normal average he makes about 11-21 and scores 28 points. Martin does not shoot 85% from the floor each night and Eduardo does not shoot 24% from the floor each night. Just thought I'd point that out. Once again, don't base how good a player is on one game.
The Rockets aren't getting anyone this next draft unless they put an escape clause in the trade for Francis that if the Rockets would be sorry this year, they could keep the first and second round picks. The only hope we as supporters should have is what we got for another three years. The talent is not out there anymore and will not show up for another 10 to 15 years. Francis is all we got and all we'll have to support for his entire career if he stays and becomes like Calvin Murphy, only better.
The Rockets aren't getting anyone this next draft unless they put an escape clause in the trade for Francis that if the Rockets would be sorry this year, they could keep the first and second round picks. The only hope we as supporters should have is what we got for another three years. The talent is not out there anymore and will not show up for another 10 to 15 years. Francis is all we got and all we'll have to support for his entire career if he stays and becomes like Calvin Murphy, only better.
It was a conditional first round pick meaning anytime in the next 3 years minimum. I have seen some up to 5 years and I can't remember what they said this one was in the chronicle.
Here's my solution, for my own personal dilemma. Draft Martin with our own pick and use Orlando's on Najera. I know you disagree Francis3, but Eduardo is a good player and he is better than any forward on this team. How about this lineup next year: C Olajuwon/Cato 6-10 PF Martin (16 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 3 bpg?)6-9 SF Najera 6-8(18.5 ppg, 8.3 rpg) SG Anderson 6-5? PG Francis 6-3? That's a huge team, almost sounds like Cincinnati(they're huge). Dream will be back to pick up that pay check(he just isn't dominating anymore) and Cato will start to takeover. Good post-up team, good shooting team, good running team, good rebounding team, and good defensive team. They would be so young, kind of like the Wolves were a couple of years ago. Francis could be Jordan with a big man. I see championships if this happens.
How about NO? I dont want Najera on this team, I dont think he is going to be a good player in the nba. He will be an average player. This is the lineup.. CATO MARTIN BATTIER OR MICKEAL ANDERSON FRANCIS Thats a team.. THat will be the best defensive team in the NBA.
SooneRockStro: Kenyon Martin to Najera is like Kidd to Brandon. It's not that Brandon isn't good but its Kidd is a tad better than Brandon. Same point with Martin to Najera. We aren't sayin he sucks, its just Martin is a tad better with his athlethism. Look at it this way, if we don't happen to land Kenyon Martin with our pick cuz it ain't high enough, at least we will know Najera is available.
Francis3: *Don't be so harsh on Najera. I heard he plays with a lot of heart. *I'm very weary on taking Battier. He's a defensive specialist and remember Rhodes? *Pete Mickeal I have to agree would be a good choice. I like his game and when coaches say he's a winner. <h4> BTW, can anyone confirm whether or not Kenyon Martin is a Senior or Junior? Cuz on the major networks: CBS, etc...They say he's a Senior; but on Rivals they say he's a Junior. What grade is he in?????</h4> [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited December 23, 1999).]
At this point I feel the same way. I would draft Martin too, but I'm saying I would use the Rocks other pick from Orlando on Najera. Hey Francis3, where was Mickeal tonight?
SooneRockStro: Are you sure Najera can play 3? Typically players who are converted from a 4 to a 3 are bigger but much slower. Can he guard the perimeter? Can he play out in the perimeter? That's why going after Mickeal who's a SF is more logical.
