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[Frontline] Cheney's Law

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  1. mc mark

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    FRONTLINE'S SEASON PREMIERE INVESTIGATES CHENEY'S EFFORTS TO EXPAND THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY

    FRONTLINE presents
    CHENEY'S LAW
    Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 9 P.M. ET on PBS

    www.pbs.org/frontline/cheney

    For three decades Vice President Dick Cheney conducted a secretive, behind-closed-doors campaign to give the president virtually unlimited wartime power. Finally, in the aftermath of 9/11, the Justice Department and the White House made a number of controversial legal decisions. Orchestrated by Cheney and his lawyer David Addington, the department interpreted executive power in an expansive and extraordinary way, granting President George W. Bush the power to detain, interrogate, torture, wiretap and spy -- without congressional approval or judicial review.

    Now, as the White House appears ready to ignore subpoenas in the wiretapping and U.S. attorneys' cases, FRONTLINE's season premiere, Cheney's Law, airing Oct. 16, 2007, at 9 P.M. ET on PBS (check local listings), examines the battle over the power of the presidency and Cheney's way of looking at the Constitution.

    "The vice president believes that Congress has very few powers to actually constrain the president and the executive branch," former Justice Department attorney Marty Lederman tells FRONTLINE. "He believes the president should have the final word, indeed the only word on all matters within the executive branch."

    After Sept. 11, Cheney and Addington were determined to implement their vision -- in secret. The vice president and his counsel found an ally in John Yoo, a lawyer at the Justice Department's extraordinarily powerful Office of Legal Counsel. In concert with Addington, Yoo wrote memoranda authorizing the president to act with unparalleled authority.

    "Through interviews with key administration figures, Cheney's Law documents the bruising bureaucratic battles between a group of conservative Justice Department lawyers and the Office of the Vice President over the legal foundation for the most closely guarded programs in the war on terror," says FRONTLINE producer/director/writer Michael Kirk. This is Kirk's tenth documentary about the Bush administration's policies since 9/11 (Rumsfeld's War, The Torture Question, The Dark Side, The Lost Year in Iraq, Endgame).

    In his most extensive television interview since leaving the Justice Department, former Assistant Attorney General Jack L. Goldsmith describes his initial days at the Department of Justice in the fall of 2003 as he learned about the government's most secret and controversial covert operations. Goldsmith was shocked by the administration's secret assertion of unlimited power.

    "There were extravagant and unnecessary claims of presidential power that were wildly overbroad to the tasks at hand," Goldsmith says. "I had a whole flurry of emotions. My first one was disbelief that programs of this importance could be supported by legal opinions that were this flawed. My second was the realization that I would have a very, very hard time standing by these opinions if pressed. My third was the sinking feeling -- what was I going to do if I was pressed about reaffirming these opinions?"

    As Goldsmith began to question his colleagues' claims that the administration could ignore domestic laws and international treaties, he began to clash with Cheney's office. According to Goldsmith, Addington warned him, "If you rule that way, the blood of the 100,000 people who die in the next attack will be on your hands."

    Goldsmith's battles with Cheney culminated in a now-famous hospital-room confrontation at Attorney General John Ashcroft's bedside. Goldsmith watched as White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andy Card pleaded with Ashcroft to overrule the department's finding that a domestic surveillance program was illegal. Ashcroft rebuffed the White House, and as many as 30 department lawyers threatened to resign. The president relented.

    But Goldsmith's victory was temporary, and Cheney's Law continues the story after the famous hospital-room standoff. At the Justice Department, White House Counsel Gonzales was named attorney general and tasked with reasserting White House control. On Capitol Hill, Cheney lobbied Congress for broad authorizations for the eavesdropping program and for approval of the administration's system for trying suspected terrorists by military tribunals.

    As the White House and Congress continue to face off over executive privilege, the Terrorist Surveillance Program, and the firing of U.S. attorneys, FRONTLINE tells the story of the man behind what some view as the most ambitious project to reshape the power of the president in American history.

    Following the broadcast, Cheney's Law will be available to view on FRONTLINE's Web site, www.pbs.org/frontline/cheney.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    As the article points out this is what the whole FISA/warentless wiretapping debacle is all about. It's not about protecting the people, but creating a king-like executive.

    And just to connect the dots, Cheney's formative executive branch years were in the post-Watergate Ford administration. He has apparently spent all the intervening years with a bitter taste in his mouth over that. I have a hard time imagining anybody trying to defend Nixon and the break-ins but apparently Cheney thinks Nixon got a bum rap.

    See Ermächtigungsgesetz
     
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  4. SWTsig

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    this world would be a better place w/o dick cheney.
     
  5. mc mark

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    I'm shocked! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

    Lynne takes exception to the documentary. --


    Ms. Cheney is demonstrating an exceptionally weak memory when she claims “no long form documentary…will ever be prepared that would show it from the other point of view,” considering that just this past weekend Fox News aired an hour-long hagiography titled “Dick Cheney: No Retreat.”



    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/16/cheney-frontline/
     
  6. SWTsig

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    "they're gonna be mad, they've never been told 'no' before.... and he was right."
     
  7. mc mark

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    Pretty much nothing we didn't already know.
     
  8. pgabriel

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    so cheney's gonna hold on to power when his cousin, obama, wins

    link


    From NBC's Adam Verdugo
    In an interview with MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell this afternoon, Lynne Cheney revealed that while researching the Cheney family tree for her new book "Blue Skies, No Fences," she discovered that the Vice President Cheney and Barack Obama are related -- albeit distantly. According to Mrs. Cheney, the two politicians are eighth cousins.

    *** Update *** The Obama campaign emails NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan that the Chicago Sun-Times actually wrote about this relation back in September, although the article notes that Obama and Cheney are 11th cousins -- not 8th cousins.
     
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  9. Kim

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    This is now available online for free. Great episode...I saw it on WETA a month ago....just great stuff.

    While I think what Cheney and Bush has done is very wrong, I must admit that I give them props for doing what every other president wants to do but can't: increase their own power. I remember hearing that when LBJ signed that press act or something...he didn't want to.

    There's also some good McCain stuff....he headed the anti-torture legislation and the dude was tortured himself.

    This is just fascinating stuff: division within the administration and within the Republican party...and it wasn't just McCain. The Senate rebuked the White House 90-9 and then Bush went ahead and disregarded the law after signing the bill...damn...that's hardcore.

    John Yoo does make a great point though...he says to the haters that there hasn't been a proposed alternative that works. I don't like the Yoo way, which is the Bush, Cheney, Addington way...but that's still a valid point.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/
     
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    john yoo is the one who said there is no law, treaty or act of congress which can prevent the president from sexually torturing children so i wouldnt put much stock in what he says about anything.

    In explaining the Unitary executive theory, Yoo made the following statements during a December 1, 2005, debate in Chicago, Illinois, with Notre Dame Law School Professor Doug Cassel:

    Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
    Yoo: No treaty.
    Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
    Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.
     
  12. Kim

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    I agree that it's terrible and wrong.

    It's still really amazing that the Bush admin has basically said "screw you all" to the senate and congress and has basically gotten away with it. It's like they're Vador and the Sith Lord or something. And they get Yoo and Addington to legally justify everything they do...it's like a big game and they're really bending the rules (probably breaking them) and even when they get called on it, they still find a way to get what they want.

    And it's not even the Admin that's on board...it's like 5 people controlling this country any way they want to in terms of war powers.

    I hope the new administration will cut back on these things and follow the Constitution...I mean I'm no legal expert, but everything I learned about that from school was about limiting powers and checks and balances and such and such. I just hope that in doing things right, they'll still be able to effectively gather intel and capture those who want to harm the US.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    They used wartime powers clause to justify everything. Getting re-elected also solidified his hold on both the public and Congress.
     

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