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From The Left: The U.S. Is Looking for an Excuse To Fight

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  1. No Worries

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    The U.S. Is Looking for an Excuse To Fight

    By Adam Hochschild, Globalvision News Network
    January 27, 2003

    As the American armada of ships, warplanes, tanks and other equipment pours into the region around Iraq, the only uncertainty about President Bush's misguided and dangerous war seems to be just when it will start. But there's something else we should watch for closely, for wars seldom start without one.


    What will be the final pretext for opening fire? Most wars need such a fig leaf, and unpopular wars most of all. Seldom, if ever, has the United States prepared for war with so little support. The administration itself is divided. Major allies are balky. At home, there are peace marches but no war marches; abroad, opinion polls almost everywhere show angry, overwhelming opposition. All this makes President Bush, more than ever, need a plausible excuse to start his war.


    What will that be? Iraq's ties to al Qaeda? No evidence so far, and the administration has even stopped talking about that mythical meeting in Prague. Saddam Hussein's refusal to cooperate with the U.N. inspectors? For the moment,


    They have free run of the country, even of the hideously extravagant palaces. Iraq's failure to account for various sinister weapon ingredients it once had? Bush representatives are thundering away about this, but those 12,000 pages of documents and the accompanying CD-ROMs do not make for high drama. Bush needs a Pearl Harbor, not some disputed aluminum tubing or buried canisters.


    Despite the desire for territory, riches or power that drive most wars, regimes itching to fight almost always find an immediate pretext. When Germany launched its long-prepared blitzkrieg against Poland in 1939, it claimed it was avenging cross-border attacks by Polish soldiers, who seized a German radio station and broadcast hostile statements. Newspapers around the world carried the story. After the war, it was revealed that the attackers were German SS troops dressed in Polish uniforms. As Hermann Goering. commander of the Luftwaffe, said before being sentenced to death at Nuremberg, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. . . . All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


    Indeed it does. The United States has long found its own share of war pretexts. Eager to seize the crumbling overseas empire of Spain, President William McKinley had no convenient excuse until, providentially, the U.S. battleship Maine exploded in Havana harbor. The Spaniards apparently had nothing to do with this – historians think that spontaneous combustion in a coal bunker ignited the ship's powder magazine – but it didn't matter. Crowds shouted, "Remember the Maine!" as the United States took over Spanish possessions around the world, grabbing even Hawaii, which had no connection to Spain whatever.


    In 1964, when Lyndon Johnson was eager to escalate the war in Vietnam, he pointed to attacks on U.S. destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. This provoked a stern Senate resolution and the first big bombing raids on North Vietnam. Only much later did it emerge that one destroyer was sailing provocatively close to the North Vietnamese coast, and the second of these attacks had never happened at all.


    As the truth dribbled out over the years, many senators complained bitterly of having been misled, and turned against the war. But by that time nearly 60, 000 Americans, and a vastly larger number of Vietnamese, were dead.


    One of the aircraft carriers that launched bombing raids after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the U.S.S. Constellation, is now in waters off Iraq. What will be the Gulf of Tonkin episode of this coming war? In the face of mounting doubts about the war at home and downright hostility abroad, Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld sorely need some provocation they can either point to or invent.


    Some possibilities:


    Another terrorist attack, either in the United States or overseas. Unfortunately, al Qaeda and its supporters still seem alive and well, as shown by the Bali bombing, the raid on the French oil tanker and other terror attacks since Sept. 11, 2001.


    If one of these happens during the crucial February-March window for making war in the Persian Gulf region, watch for the administration to claim that secret intelligence links this terrible outrage to Iraq. If the attack is anywhere near as vicious or destructive as the ones on Sept. 11, our spineless Congress will be in no mood to demand evidence. You can expect the B-1's to be launched the next day.


    American deaths in combat. There are, of course, U.S. forces already in and over Iraq. British and U.S. planes patrol the "no fly zones" in the north and south of the country. They are regularly fired on by Iraqi anti-aircraft installations, which they then bomb in return. Amazingly, no American pilot has yet been shot down. What if one is?


    Furthermore, small teams of U.S. special operations troops are reported quietly operating in Iraqi Kurdistan. What if one of these Americans is caught up in combat, fatally? Nothing provides a better pretext for war than brave, dead young Americans. Few will stop to ask: Why were they there in the first place?


    Finally, there's the convenient old standby excuse of border violations. U. S. forces are in four of the countries bordering on Iraq – Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan and Kuwait. Troops on both sides of the Iraqi border are getting into position for war. It would be easy to claim that some Iraqis crossed the border – and the Pentagon, having learned its lesson painfully in Afghanistan, is not going to let any unchaperoned journalist get within dozens of miles to check.


    The new Bush doctrine claiming the imperial right to wage pre-emptive war is so shameless that the administration may well launch the bombers with no fig leaf at all. But you can bet it will continue to look hard for any possible pretext.


    The path to this senseless war so far has been paved with exaggeration, outright falsehoods and claims of imminent terror attacks and secret intelligence. We need to be vigilant for more of the same. Unlike the earlier generations stampeded into war by the Maine and Gulf of Tonkin incidents, we'd be better off detecting such lies when they are made instead of years later.


    San Francisco writer Adam Hochschild is the author of "King Leopold's Ghost," "Finding the Trapdoor" and other books.
     
  2. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Are you absolutely, 100% positive that this is "from the left?" You'd think they would at least slant the story with some kind of spin.
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    Thanks for the article. Got me a new signature out of it.
     
  4. No Worries

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  5. HayesStreet

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    Comparing the US to Nazi Germany is outrageous.
     
  6. subtomic

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    He only used the Nazi's quote as a summation of how governments have manipulated its citizens into accepting a war. He also showed that past U.S. administrations had no qualms about using misinformation to stir the people to fight. Methinks you should read more closely.
     
  7. Batman Jones

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    Typical. Nowhere did anyone do that.
     
  8. Major

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    Typical. Nowhere did anyone do that.

    But its so much easier to demonize him by saying he did. Just like anyone who said after 9/11 that the US needs to evaluate its foreign policy automatically was saying that 9/11 was our fault. It beats trying to actually argue the facts.
     
  9. giddyup

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    What is this then:

    "All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


    Indeed it does. The United States has long found its own share of war pretexts.

    Analogy? Syllogism? Equation? What is it?
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    The left is way too cynical.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    So do the Rockets fans on this BBS lean to the left?
     
  12. Heretic

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    Bush is dancing on quicksand and inviting the rest of the country to join in.
     
  13. No Worries

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    The reason that I posted this article is that it mirrors some of my own thinking. Given how the White House has proceeeded so far, I expected Bush to give his reasons in mid February and to start the war thereafter within 24 hours. Bush wants neither the debate over the reasons nor a prolonged examination of them.

    I predict that this will "blindside" the Democrats. The truth is that they will have to grow a pair before they stand up agaimst Bush. I am not holding my breath.
     
  14. Pole

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    does a cat have an *******?
     
  15. HayesStreet

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    What are you talking about? If he draws no comparison why is it in the article? Why does he say 'this is what Nazi Germany did' and 'this is what I expect the US to do.' How is that not drawing a parallel between the two. Please explain 'the facts' to us. :rolleyes:
     
  16. No Worries

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    Bush wants neither the debate over the reasons nor a prolonged examination of them.

    Bush Address Won't Include New Iraq Data
    Jan 27, 7:51 PM (ET)

    By RON FOURNIER

    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush will outline his case against Saddam Hussein in Tuesday night's State of the Union address, balancing tough talk on Iraq with a domestic policy agenda that includes a new plan to direct drug treatment money to religious groups.

    Pushing a new plank in his "faith-based initiative," Bush planned to ask Congress for $200 million next fiscal year for vouchers to people seeking drug treatment. The vouchers would allow them to seek help at any treatment center, including those with religious approaches, two senior White House officials said.

    The plan is sure to be controversial because many religious drug treatment programs do not employ medical approaches and do not use staff that have been licensed for this work.

    The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Bush also planned to propose a significant increase in spending on research into development of hydrogen fuel-cell cars.

    Both initiatives were previewed by advisers as they sought to highlight aspects of his budget blueprint that might prove attractive to moderate voters.

    Bush wants to show Americans that his White House can focus on problems at home while fighting war abroad. His agenda also includes massive tax cuts, Medicare reform, prescription drugs for the elderly, health insurance for small businesses and other new initiatives that help religious groups provide federally funded community services.

    Bush will address the nation at 9 p.m. EST as polls show that Americans are increasingly reluctant to back war with Iraq and have growing doubts about Bush's ability to handle the ailing economy.

    To counter concerns about Iraq, Bush intends to reiterate his assertion that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and is linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network, officials said. But new evidence of those charges will not be revealed until next week by Secretary of State Colin Powell, perhaps at the United Nations, officials said.

    Bush will not repeat the "axis of evil" phrase he applied in last year's address to Iraq, Iran and North Korea, officials said, although he intends to cite all three nations by name and describe the complications they are causing the anti-terror coalition.

    They said Bush opted for a broad argument against Saddam in part to avoid having the State of the Union dominated by Iraq.

    Preparing for the address, Bush met conservative newspaper columnists Monday and rehearsed the speech, timed at about 45 minutes, in front of a TelePrompTer.

    Leading Republicans across the country received White House memos designed to guide their interviews with reporters. The GOP officials were told to promote Bush's plans for the economy, jobs, health care, "compassionate" faith-based community services and, lastly, Iraq.

    "Most of the State of the Union will not be about Iraq," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. "Most of the State of the Union will be about improving America's economy and providing greater access to health care for millions of American people, including senior citizens."

    Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle challenged the White House to show "proof to the world" that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

    As the party's top leaders joined for a pre-emptive assault on Bush's address, Daschle and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi accused Bush of creating a "credibility gap" on a raft of issues.

    Bush is working on details of a plan that would encourage Medicare beneficiaries to choose alternatives, such as managed care and preferred provider organizations, to get prescription drug coverage under the federal plan.

    Bush also wants Congress to help small businesses band together to buy health insurance for their employees. But the initiative faces opposition from consumer groups and governors because it would be largely exempt from state regulation.

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    Associated Press writers Laura Meckler and Scott Lindlaw contributed to this report.

    Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All right reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
     
  17. Heretic

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    The article wasn't connecting our government with war crimes and genocide. The article was quoting a high ranking member of a political party that took some pages straight out of the Machiavelli handbook for running a government.

    Quit being so dense.
     
  18. Major

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    What are you talking about? If he draws no comparison why is it in the article? Why does he say 'this is what Nazi Germany did' and 'this is what I expect the US to do.' How is that not drawing a parallel between the two. Please explain 'the facts' to us.

    Well, hell. By this definition, saying:

    Nazi Germany had people. The US has people.

    Would be comparing Nazi Germany and the US, and would, by your logic, be an outrageous statement. WTF?

    Just because two countries do something similar doesn't mean the two countries are comparable, nor is it outrageous. However, it does demonstrate that <I>many countries use this pretext to go to war</I>, US included in the case of Vietnam (also referenced).
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    This is the problem I have with the Left's case for war. Essentially, they are arguing that the United States is waging this war for imperialis purposes. They are arguing that the United States is corrupt and that it wants to conquer lands for it's own gain.

    He mentions the Spanish War. "The Spaniards apparently had nothing to do with this – historians think that spontaneous combustion in a coal bunker ignited the ship's powder magazine – but it didn't matter. Crowds shouted, "Remember the Maine!" as the United States took over Spanish possessions around the world, grabbing even Hawaii, which had no connection to Spain whatever. " He also mentions Nazi Germany. :confused:

    So, at its very essence, the Left's objection isn't about casualties, or civilian deaths, or the expense, or evidence. (All of these factors could have stopped the US from entering World War II, after all, but no one objects to that war.) Basically, the objection has to do with the US being an evil imperialistic force in the world.

    It's not suprising actually, we have seen the hippies and the far left say this for many years now. It's just good to finally get it out in the open so we can understand what the Left is really saying. But they do a good job of spinning and speaking in "code" like Trent Lott did regarding race.
     
  20. glynch

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    Mr. Clutch I guess you've just been waiting to say this: they are arguing that the United States is waging this war for imperialis purposes. They are arguing that the United States is corrupt and that it wants to conquer lands for it's own gain.

    It is amazing how you got this from this article.

    The guy is making a relatively abstract point that regardless of the reason for a war, the country seeking one will try to create a discrete reason to justify it.

    Are you really wanting to justify the Spanish American War and say that in retrospect only unpatriotic "hippies" could criticize it as really necessary?

    :confused:
     

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