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From the Desk of Donald Rumsfeld . . .

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Nov 1, 2007.

  1. rimrocker

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    Speaks for itself...

     
  2. HayesStreet

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    What's the problem? He wrote memos - Ok.
     
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    and he scratches his ass and masturbates too. doesn't make him not satan.
     
  4. lpbman

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    I wouldn't say he is Satan... I would say only Mcnamara comes close to the other Donald, when it comes to being really, really bad at his job.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    He wrote memos about trying to creat links rather than dealing with them honestly if they exist, being generally bigotted against Muslims, etc.
     
  6. jo mama

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    i think many would argue that those two were really, really good at their job. they made alot of people very rich.
     
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    I think both of them had the same fault in common. They were both so totally arrogant and smugly overconfident. They both thought they could run the war better than the professional career generals, completely ignored their advice and told them how the war was to be run.


    They were both guilty of immense hubris.
     
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    selective quoting of leaked memos to fit a preordained narrative. hmmmm

    say- when's hillary going to release the records of her stint as national health czar? since she's made her experience there a centerpiece of her campaign, it might be useful to actually evaluate her performance before we start casting votes, no?
     
  9. HayesStreet

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    Nothing in any of those quotes suggests making things up so I disagree about your charge of being less than honest. As for his comments about Muslims I believe he was talking about Saudis who get subsidized living which necessitates bringing in low level construction workers from other countries, which is fairly factual.
     
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    ..."If The M16 rifle was meant to have a chrome lined bore and chamber, Eugene Stoner would have designed it that way"....
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes it does. When he talks about needing to find a link, that certainly suggests making a link up, or making something that isn't really a link become a link.

    Furthermore him talking about needing to make Americans feel they are surrounded by insurgents and raising the terror level, that is certainly making up irrational fears etc.

    The workers the Saudis bring in are largely Muslim as well. His comment was stated in a way that seemed as if he was talking about Muslims in general.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Hillary has nothing to do with what Rumsfeld's memos.
     
  13. HayesStreet

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    No it doesn't. Where does he say 'find a link?' He wrote that the public should understand the link between Iraq and Iran. He doesn't say make something up that isn't true. The worse it goes in Iraq the better it is for Iran - that isn't fiction.

    No it isn't. He wrote "Talk about Somalia, the Philippines, etc. Make the American people realize they are surrounded in the world by violent extremists." That isn't a statement to make something up, it is a statement about what he considers to be the truth that should be relayed to the public. Notice the use of 'realize' is not consistent with your misinterpretation.

    Not at all. It has the additional qualifier of 'oil wealth' which doesn't point to all Muslims, and he contrasts those with Pakistanis (who are also Muslims). You could probably accuse him over misspeaking but not bigotry. That's not warranted by what he wrote.
     
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    If only Muslims were good at making up catchy bumper sticker slogans they might get more high level government jobs...
     
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    I really don't know how I feel about the muslim comments because I really don't understand the specific situation he's referring to.
     
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    Number one we aren't surrounded by violent extremists. There are small pockets of them here and there. He's trying to scare people.

    This is from the article
    In other words he just wants to move the goal posts.

    The guy wants to strike fear into Americans in order to build support for his goals.
     
  17. jo mama

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    another way to say it would be that rummy and the bush administration were engaging in terrorism against the american people.
     
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    That's overstating it a bit... lying, misleading, propagandizing? sure... but terrorism? come on...
    Misusing the military, which I think they've done, still isn't terrorism. It's completely irresponsible. Of course, anyone who can see past the end of their nose realizes this administration is "responsible" for nothing. They are apparently justified in ANYTHING they do.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    He's trying to make people see what he sees. That isn't dishonest.

    Nothing in his quotes point to him doing anything but spreading his own worldview and keeping the public informed of what's actually happening (in his opinion). Claiming anything else is just silly because his memo quotes simply don't support that opinion. As I pointed out in the first post, the wording in those passages is incompatible with your claim and completely consistent with my position.

    Yeah, let's just make the concept of terrorism completely without meaning. Alfred Hitchcock engaged in terrorism against filmgoers.

    That's productive.
     
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    He said that people might adopt an "all is lost" attitude. But that if we change what the objectives are we can win it.

    That is talking about moving the goal posts.

    Of course I'm paraphrasing there.
     

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