Francis: 30 mpg, 45%FG, 45%3-pt, 80%FT, 18 ppg, 5rpg, 6apg Mobley 28mpg, 49%FG, 40%3-pt, 78% FT, 15ppg, 3rpg, 1apg T-Mac 32mpg, 39%FG, 37%3-pt, 56%FT, 16 ppg, 5rpg, 4apg If T-mac continute to suck so bad in Rockets, JVG's system should go. SF and Cat seem to be doing fining now playing for.....Johnny Davis who has a career coach record of 42-111.
Francis, Mobley and T-Mac preseason stats, and we all know he's not going to score as much, as long as we win in the regular season who cares
Can we please let the season play out before we start marking this whole thing a mistake or disaster, or that JVG is the worst offensive coach in history. Please!
Jeff Van Gundy already has over 400 regular season games with varying personnel proving that his "system" results in less offensive performance. Will Tracy McGrady change that? The preseason indicates "the future is hazy" at best, and "unlikely" at worst.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/2004/...rs/LeagueLeadersTPGQuery.html?topic=0&stat=29 Now even if it is preseason, Francis is still in the top 15 in TOs... But an even more shocking stat: Yao is 9th and JJ is 27th.
True, but JVG has never had an offensive weapon like TMac before either. He has had some good players (Sprewell, Houston, Francis) but no one of TMac's caliber. All I am saying is let's see how McGrady; arguably the most versatile, potent offensive 2-guard since Jordan; can play in the system before we bash it. Besides, there are alot of other factors that go into it, outside the final score, that shows how effective an offense is.
I think you might be forgetting that Spree/Houston/Francis were some of the best offensive players before playing under JVG. Both Sprewell's and Francis' scoring dropped significantly under JVG. I expect a drop in TMac's as well, but hopefully not as dramatic. I agree that we need to see REAL games before we can comment on it, but if we have scoring woes like last season, then we'll have to look for another system.
It's all about the boney legs factor.... JVG's defense takes alot out of the legs..and shooters will suffer. Especially those with toothpick legs like Mcgrady. Hopefully he'll get use to it.
Wrong. Houston had had one really good year in Detroit and then his numbers went down his first year as a Knick (where he had to share the ball more). After that first year, his numbers went right back up and his shooting even improved for a while. Sprewell's numbers went down his first year as a Knick as well, but he hadn't played basketball in over a year, and went from being the first option on a bad team to one of three options on a playoff team. Numbers go down in tose situations. As for Francis, Yao Ming and JVG basically killed his game in Houston.
I want to watch a few Orlando games this year. I am sure they will be a lot more fun to watch then the rockets. JVG coached team is not that fun to watch. I really thinking that its not the players but the system. He is a poor offensive coach.
TMAC has always sucked in the preseason. It's during the season when he cranks it up a notch. he said so himself the other day in an interview.
Preseason doesn't mean crap. Look at the list: 1. Look at Garnett's numbers compared to regular season. 2. Duncan isn't even in any of the categories, and it looks at the top 44. Stars know what they can do. There is no point in using a lot of energy and playing their best ball when it doesn't count. Just watch guys, the stars come out during the regular season.
However, JVG had a load of offensive talent in Ewing, Spree, Houston, LJ, and Oakley and still couldn't score 100 points. JVG is a good coach but is is terrible offensively.
Some also have to consider that Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley are in the Eastern Conference so it will be easier for them to put up big numbers. Tmac on the other hand has to contend out in the Western Conference with teams such as the Timberwolves, Spurs, and Sacramento all dominant teams. Also remember that basketball is a team game not what one individual does or can do. Both Orlando and Houston have great potential, but it all comes down to who plays better as a team.
honestly i this is what is gonna happen, if Tmac doesn't fit into the system....the rockets will make it work, i wouldn't be surprised they get rid of JVG in order to accomidate Tmac....they aren't gonna make major trades in consecitive yrs....thats how i see it....and plus, Tmac is a free agent next yr, so u gonna grant him your wishes or you are left w/ nothing.
If Steve had these kind of numbers when he played here, I would never have wanted him gone. 2 to 1 Assist to Turnover ratio? Wow....go Steve. DD
I am so tired of people looking in the rear window mirror. What is done is done. Please dont compare them anymore. Tmac is a Rocket, and Fancis and Cat are not. This board is Rocket's board.
No one is questioning if the trade was good or not. I don't think very many people here believe it was a bad trade. I think the point of this thread and most of all the other negative threads is that JVG doesn't have a clue how to run an effecient offense and that JVG may limit T-mac.
