I think these turnovers. i think this might have to do a little with running into the lane when its not even close to being open instead of passing the ball. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/stats/2002/assists/0_byTURNOVER_PER_GAME.html
yeeeahhhh, its pretty obvious your just pissed 'cause yao is not starting, and is playing poorly, so you wanna blame stevie franchise. newsflash! this is stevie's team, yao will play when he is ready and it still won't be his team. without stevie, and with yao playing major minutes, we would be a lottery team. sigh
You thought wrong. Players that have the ball in their hands a lot lose the ball a lot. Jason kidd, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett and more top notch players make the dean's list for turnovers. Steve's turnovers are not a major problem, our shooting percentage is the problem. The 3 and 4's on our team are not making the open shots. Therefore, Steve taking it to the lane is a better play. When the Rockets hit more open shots they will have less turnovers, more assists, more points, etc, etc. I'd take any one of those high turnover guys over a guy that won't take the handle.
my PG icon (along with the Big O) Magic was turnover prone. And certainly one of the handful of greatest players ever. SF is great, not perfect, but terrific, and great. Go with it. The best we have, the best since Dream was still 'shaking'!
gram: Don't blame forenzi. I remembered the slogan of Rockets this year is "be part of something BIG." That gave many people a hallucination that something different would happen this year.
i understand windandsea, but to be all pissy about the best player on our team is silly. he needs to be realistic, poor yao has not had a break in years, is behind in learning the system and nba, and he is a rookie. he will be great in a few months, but this is not yao's team. he will be an important part, but not the leader like hakeem was. by the way, be part of something big is not just a rockets slogan. i was watching the bulls on satellite, and they have the same kind of ads "be part of something big" is an nba thing and not just about the rockets and yao. holla
I don't care about TOs. I just want Francis to initiate the offense earlier. If he wants to shoot it, that's fine, just do it before the shot clock winds down. If he wants to involve his teammates, then good, just do it before the shot clock winds down.
Right now, no one is putting up better offensive numbers then Francis. Period. It's his defense which is lacking. Rudy is doing the right thing is building the offense around Francis and Mobley. Until Opposing teams learn to stop those guys, and until the other guys on the teams contribute, there is no reason for Francis and Mobley to change how they are playing.
I want to see the team work more on the new offense before I start yapping about assists and turnovers. Look at what a few days of practice did for the GS game. In due time frineds...in due time.
There are 82 games in the season.... We're currently sitting in fourth position in the Western conference - that's something BIG! If we make the playoffs this season then it will be something BIG. Yoa will also be BIG in the second half of the season - but if we could all just have a little bit of patience and allow him to become a part of the team first....
My problem isn't turnovers...those happen. My problem is the ridiculous number of shots coming from our backcourt. Look folks...NOBODY has EVER won a championship with the PG being the focal point of the offense. Before anybody points to Magic...please realize that he had one hell of a cast of characters around him. Guys who played a huge role on those teams.
Wow, I'm having to tell two people in one thread that they are wrong. Refman, you are wrong. There have been many many championship teams that based their offense point guards. You can start with Isiah Thomas and the pistons and work your way back to Bob Cousy and the Celtics. Oscar Robinson had Kareem, but come on, he was the piece they needed. You must have pent up aggie anger. I understand. nwo for life 34, check out who else is in the lead for turnovers before you decide his turnovers are a such horrible thing. I'd take the top 12 turnover guys, ask any one of them to be the coach and win championships until the last one retires.
forenzi and Windandsea, you guys are forgetting the Rockets won and so far are a winning team. Thats what counts. Forenzi it seems like its really eating at you that Ming isn't playing much so your putting down our players and Windandsea has already put down are coaches and now our slogans. Steve is shooting great and as long as Ming is playing crappy he will stay on the bench. If he starts playing well and actually starts helping the team then Rudy will put him in. I believe Ming will turn out to be a star in the league within 3 years or so, and he will continue to get better with each game. In the last game I thought he looked more comfortable and didn't look as lost.
We are 3-2 with a 0.600 winning percentage, 3rd in the midwest, and 5th in the west. As long as we keep that winning percentage up, I'd be happy with Francis averageing 10 turnovers per game!
Don't forget Joe dumars. A vastly underrated player IMO. I'd put him right up there with Isiah. An excellent defender. Played D on MJ as well as was possible. Also, could score in the clutch and was as smart a player as you could find. Every time I think about him I remember that we were 1 spot from selecting him in the draft. We would have took him too. Detroit got him and we ended up with Steve(deer in the headlights) Harris. We could have had Terry Porter too(5 spots later). Had we got Dumars I think we would have more than 2 banners hanging in the rafters. On Stevies' turnovers, they don't bother me right now that much either. Every time he passes inside and Cato or someone else fumbles the ball out of bounds it goes on Stevies' box. Plus, he's scoring so much and is the initiator of so much of our offense that he's bound to have more turnovers than before. I prefer to look at team turnovers. I want us to stay under 14 a game. If we do that and SF has the lionshare, thats fine with me.
My bad on the Dumars thing. When I reread the thread I noticed the comments were on not winning a title with a point guard as your main player, not guards(plural) as I had thought. Anyway, it shows there have been teams that won it all with their top 2 players being guards.
