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Francis is a PG not a 2

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by alley-oop, May 4, 2003.

  1. alley-oop

    alley-oop Member

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    Just to throw this out there:

    Why do so many want to move SF to the two gaurd? He is an elite point. Our two gaurd is above average and gets along with the stars on our team. Francis has one flaw, if you want to call it that, which is his assist to turnover ratio. I feel this will come with alittle time once he gets to play with his teammates more.

    These are the career stats for the top points with similar game:

    RPG APG TO PPG
    Francis 6.3 6.4 3.7 20.1
    Kidd 6.4 9.4 3.41 14.7
    Payton 4.2 7.4 2.5 18.3
    Marbury 3 8.2 3.27 20.5
    B.Davis 3.7 6.5 2.54 18

    One of the biggest diff. is the amount of assist Kidd avg. vs Francis. Three asst., which could be thought of as 6 points, he is responssible for which is how many more points Francis scores than Kidd.

    Francis and Kidd are the only two in another class of rebounding pgs.

    SF does average more TO by 1.2 more than the best(Payton).

    When you look across the board at the whole game, Francis is one of the top pgs and is one of the youngest with some of the least experince of the 5.

    He needs to bring his turnovers down but that is only one problem he has. It can and will be done.

    It ain't broke why fix it?:mad:
     
  2. Roc Paint

    Roc Paint Member

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    Thank you.

    If Francis had Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant as his running mate, you wouldn't even hear about this bally-who about moving Steve to the 2.
     
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  3. wlm

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    Three assists is a huge gap. Francis is a very good athlete and can score pretty well, but his playmaking ability is not anywhere near the top point guards'. Gotta disagree on the PG thing - he is a 2.
     
  4. finalsbound

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    He's neither. Let's move him to center. ;)
     
  5. Hobbs

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    Look at the assist to turnover ratios.

    One of those is not like the others. One of those is not the same.
     
  6. RocketFan85

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    The reason people want him to be moved to SG is because he is a natural scorer. I agree, Francis could win a MVP if he plays SG. He would be alot like A.I., but Francis might have a better shot.
     
  7. xiki

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    SF is a 1 because SF is a leader, the Rox leader. The team flopped after he quit leading (in February?).
     
  8. RocketFan85

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    If he quit than he is not a leader. Leaders don't quit on there teams.
     
  9. x_trepidation_x

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    Its difficult to be the number 1 option on offense and run the point guard duties. To many responsiblities for one player. Why don't we allocate the poing guard duties to someone else who can refine what a point guard is supposed to do. If Steve is doing everything (player maker, slasher, shooter, rebounder, defener etc...) what the heck are the rest of the Rockets doing? I think you have to divide the roles up. Even the best player in the league don't do everything.

    Kobe - focuses on jumpers, slashing, and learning how to hit clutch shots

    Tmac - focuses on jump shot, slashing, clutch shooter

    Duncan - focuses on rebounder, bank shots

    Iverson - focuses on slashing , scoring at will

    Shaq - focuses on sumo wrestling :D

    If Francis is going to keep play the point, which I don't think is out of the question, then he has to give up some of his offense and shooting for a while and focus more on what a point guard is supposed to do. Which is to distribute the ball, play good defense against the opposing point guard, and hit the 3. If Francis can play elite point guard duties then I say keep him at the 1 and then he can pay more attention to his offensive game. This is what Starbury did. Starbury was considered a hog ball and not a great passer but having seen Kidd succeed in the East probably motivated him to become a better play maker/passer/ and over all better point guard by getting other players involved. If Francis can up his game to match Starbury then I say keep him at the 1.

    No one is suggesting that Francis at the 2 is the perfect solution but having Francis play point and be the number 1 option on offense seems like an aweful lot to handle. Francis' natural tendency is to take it to the hole and play one on one. Why not give him the opportunity to do what he was made to do by playing him at the 2. If it doesn't work out..then move him back to the point guard position where he can concentrate more on play making.
     
  10. arno_ed

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    let him play PF and get riddy of rudy:D
    i think he is a point guard. if you look at the numbers of payton you will see he didn't have nearly as many assist in the beginning of his career as he does now and in his prime. Francis wil learn
     
  11. HotRocket

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    If we moved him to the SG position, he wouldn't really be playing SG; he would be playing "guard."

    He would probably still get his 5-6 assists, the only difference is that he wouldn't have to create for himself all the time, he would have someone to pass to him.

    Right now, Steve has to create for every single player on the team as well as himself. If you get a pure PG, then Steve will be able to concentrate on scoring and creating open shots, rather than trying to do all of that and setting up his teammates.

    This also doesn't mean that he would have to guard SG's, he could still guard PG, and we could get Alvin Williams or Posey to guard the SG.
     
  12. jo mama

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    or cut him:D
     
  13. u851662

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    What about the created oppurtunity's for his other team mates to score? Francis is not very good at this. That is the number 1 job of a point guard in my opinion
     
  14. UTweezer

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    It going to be interesting when he moves to the two. You think he was a defensive liability at the 1? I think he'll get eatin' up alive at the 2...
     
  15. silent j

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    Do you think Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury feel their number one job is to set up their team mates?
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    He's neither. Let's move him to the Clippers.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    I think Stevie would get better looks as a 2, moving without the ball etc. Oh, wait. Moving without the ball isn't allowed in our offense.

    Nevermind.
     
  18. Yetti

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    Steve Francis is a very fine Basketball player and one day will be ranked among the Greats of the Game.

    A Point Guard is the leader and playmaker of the Team. He is one that ensures that the Coaches directions are carried out, depending on the circumstances, very often,on the court, he is the decission maker for the Coach. He sets up his team and trys to get the ball to an open man at his best shooting position. At all times he is trying to get the most out of his team-mates by helping then to improve.On the Defencive end he guards the opposing Guard, trying to prevent him from executing the oppositions game plan. He scores on occasion when placed in the position of being open and not able to involve any other of his players on the court. (pass first,shoot second)

    It is with regret that I say that Francis is at present a long way from being the above Point Guard. The Rockets are paying Francis a lot of money. Its about time the Staff comes to a firm conclusion about his future. Is he able to be the Point Guard they desire or will he be able to play another position , such as the Shooting Guard? At present Francis is for the Rockets a defencive liability, which suggests that he might not be effective at the two position. Just what do they do with him is a big question facing the Management of the Rockets this offseason.
     
  19. farhan007

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    When did he quit??? Dude i didnt hear this??? Is it on ESPN or something, I didnt hear it, must be big news?!?!?!:rolleyes:
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    the problem isn't that he's not a PG or that he's not a 2--it's his decision making skills. he's more than competent to be a PG or a 2 but sometimes his court vision and decision making skills go right out the window. if he can make sound decisions with the ball no one on this board would have a problem. i guess that's why there's a lot of ppl wanting him to shift to the 2 so he won't have to make the decisions anymore.
     

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