This is it, I am sick of hearing Steve talk the talk and then watching him play like he just picked up a basketball. He can't run a break, he is a TERRIBLE point guard, and he has no clue how to beat a double team...(hint it ain't off the dribble). I am ready to swap his A$$ for Andre Miller right here, right now. I think this would make Mobley a better player, it would help Cato, KT ...heck the entire team would play better, you know why? Cause Miller would play smarter, he would deliver the ball to the shooters WHEN and WHERE they could be successful...oh, and he is a much better defender. Francis is all flash and no substance...forget the stats, he has not improved one bit since his rookie year.... Now, the question is, who has the sack to admit that this team would be better with a heady Star player like Miller at the point. DaDakota
Another player who would benefit from the passing excellence of a true STAR point guard. EG would develop much faster getting the ball with time to shoot it. DaDakota
Andre Miller is a good player, but he hasn't shown anything to prove he can lead a winning team. Francis has shown he can, evident by our solid record last season. I have not seen Andre Miller pull the Cavaliers out of the Eastern Confrence basement. He plays in a weaker divsion too. Steve's a winner. Andre's not.
My point is not that Andre Miller is a better player then Steve, it is that the ROCKETS would be better with Andre at the point and Mobley at the 2, then with our current setup. At least the team would be a better on both ends of the floor and would stand a decent chance to finish a fast break. DaDakota
I'd rather trade Mobley for Miller and move Steve to the two spot. Anyway, I came down on Steve too hard the other night. I'm sure he'd be having a better season if it wasn't for his multitude of injuries and medical conditions.
YES! Anything except Francis for Miller and move Steve to the two where he can just shoot the ball. Nice call...
Nope. NOt with you, but you already knew that. I like MIller alot, but I think Steve is a better player, not neccessarily a better PG. I think Cleveland's team is arguably as talented as ours (realized talent, not potential), yet they play in a weaker conference and have the same record as we do. Steve could score 32 or 12, some of you guys will still never get behind him.
What does that have to do with anything? Steve has had better talent around him than Miller. Not to mention the continuity of having the same coach for all three years.
Francis for Miller is not the answer for this team. And anyway, like an earlier poster said, where has Miller led the Cavs to. Miller and the Cavs haven't exactly been setting the world on fire. I mean, since Miller has been with the Cavs, the Cavs haven't gotten anywhere near the playoffs in the pathetic East. But, all of a sudden, if he comes to the Rockets in the superior West, he's going to lead the Rockets to bigger and better things. I don't think so. Miller a solid point guard, but still not good enough to trade Steve for him straight up.
That's totally true. Steve is a much better scorer and is capable of single-handedly carrying a team, while Miller is not. However, I do think that Miller is a much better passer, ball handler and overall team player, which theoretically would be more valueable to us if we had a dominant front court stud as our main weapon. The Terrell Brandon-Kevin Garnett connection is more lethal than the Stephon Marbury-Kevin Garnett duo. As well, would the Jazz have been so successful throughout they years if they had someone like Steve on the squad instead of a pass first, shoot later team player like Stockton? I don't think so. I would certainly not count on Miller to lead a team to the promised land all alone, but if Griffin ends up morphing into Kevin Garnett or Rasheed Wallace, I would rather have Andre around passing him the ball than Steve dribbling it off his foot. Until we do get that other threat, however, we might as well stick with Francis. . The migraine problem is very worrisome, too, and should definitely factory into any decision.
DaDakota, I sincerely believe that if Andre Miller was the Rockets point guard, you'd find a reason to complain about his play after every poor game. You'd likely be coveting Davis and Francis, complaining about how Miller puts of great numbers but he is a slow-footed defender, not a great outside shooter and doesn't know how to make great numbers equate to wins--basically Miller puts up great numbers on a bad team. I am a big fan of Andre Miller, but I wouldn't trade Francis for him. Sure, right now, Miller is the better "textbook point guard", but Steve is the better player. Moreover, Francis is considered a game breaker, a difference maker while Miller is not--which is why the Cavs don't want to play the kid the max. You don't trade difference makers. Players win games, not positional stereotypes.
the Freak, I wouldnt' call Steve a shoot-first, pass-second PG. A year ago, we said he was too unselfish. He's still only 24th in fga per game, while I think he's in the top 20 in ppg. So, there are players less efficient than Steve.
If the rest of the league is as high on Francis as some of you, then they might be willing to trade Miller. A pure STUD pg is very very rare in the NBA. Steve is not and is highly unlikely ever to be a true PG. He's a great (and potentially STUD) SG if he starts playing the position he should be. However, good SGs aren't that hard to find, so I would rather have Miller than Francis. You guys saw Cleveland against Houston. Clearly you realize there is 0 talent on that team. Yet miller excels. Importantly, he doesn't have a high point avg on a poor team, but a high assist avg. And his low TO/game is further testament to his abilities
YOu know what, I wish I could trade my vote. Bring MIller in here, we suck even more and then we realize Steve wasn't the problem. Most of our offensive weapons are iso players, so expect Miller's assist #'s to go down. Also, we don't have good shooters ala Person/Murray/Mihm, etc. We also don't really have a slasher head to the basket ala Ricky Davis. I know Steve's assist #'s aren't gaudy, but in the first quarter alone, Morris and Cato missed point blank lay ups. Oh, I think Cleveland has players who can make lay ups.
