Francis Assist (Team Player) Tracker

Can you track how many times he assisted to a person that blew the shot?
Let's be fair now.

Rocket River

 

That would be an interesting statistic. However, he has a player with Yao Ming who shoots a very high percentage (Mo Taylor used to, as well). So that excuse should not necessarily be valid with regards to him taking a lot more shots than Yao Ming.

 

To be fair to Steve, one must look at how our offense ran in the past when looking at assist #s. (Example: PGs on the championship teams averaged about the same amount a Steve). Our offense was just not conducive to a PG racking up 10 assists consistently.

If Yao ends up with more touches, then its not going to affect Steve's assist #s, as passes to established post players rarely lead to assists.

However, one thing that would increase his assist #s is more fast break opportunities. But as a team, the player's have to want to run, like JVG has stated.

Overall, I would keep track of Steve's TO #s more than I would his assists #s. TO/A ratio is the key IMO.

 

Only if we can offset that with the number of times that he should have passed to the open man and didn't.

 

This on the borderline of insanity, if you get that thourough you might find that he was selfish. Such truth and reality would not be acceptable on this Forum.

 

Yao Ming shot 49%. That's really not that high for a guy seven foot freaking six. And that was after starting off at 60%, which means he was shooting worse and worse througout the season.

 

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH....MORE FRANCIS HATING. THAT'S ALL PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DO IN H-TOWN IS HATE FRANCIS. DON'T HATE ON TAYLOR CAUSE HE CAN'T GET A REBOUND, DON'T HATE ON MOOCHIE CAUSE HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, DON'T HATE ON YAO WHO SCREWS UP JUST AS MUCH BUT NEVER GETS THE BLAME, DON'T HATE EDDIE GRIFFIN CAUSE HE HASN'T GROWN OR IMPROVED, DON'T HATE ANY OTHER ROCKETS EXCEPT FRANCIS AND MOBLEY CAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT EVER SCREW UP.

 

Task for SamFisher: Check a stat. Check Kerry Kittles' shooting percentage before he started playing with Jason Kidd. And after.

Maybe the PG has something to do with it...

 

there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR YELLING.

to someone as emotionally charged as you, it may seem like hating. to others who do more than base their opinions on emotional reaction, it's called criticism. it's true, sometimes it is a little excessive, but the fact of the matter is, francis is (and has been for the last four years) our team leader and has failed to get us to the playoffs. (and although this can be attributed to other things like coaching and generally poor team shooting, he is the self-proclaimed leader of this team and is therefore held accountable, as he should be). and it is true that his assist statisitics (asst/to, min/assist, etc) are quite absymal for a quality pg.

as for not "hating" taylor, griffin, moochie, and yao...what, do you only read threads with the name "francis" in them? cause if you do read other threads, you'd know that none of these guys are exempt from criticism. the only person i'd say is excusable is yao (don't start yelling again) cause it was his rookie year and he had plenty of other reasons to make his adjustments more difficult than the average nba joe. and if i remember correctly, he wasn't expected to contribute anything until at least his second or third year. also, i can quite confidently say that without yao, we would have lost at least 5 more games and would be a below .500 team.

so calm down.

 

I am shocked, but I think I actually agree with Rocket River. I am hardly the biggest Francis fan on this board, BUT this team shoots so poorly that the assist stats are misleading. Count Francis' passes to the backcourt vs. the frontcourt OR passes per game. I would venture to predict that his passes to anyone per game are relatively low for a point guard. It would be interesting though. (you would have to factor in min. played, etc: could get too complicated)

 

Task for Jackie Chiles (after you get back from whatever country you're in now) watch the Rockets last 41 games last year, watch Yao get the ball stripped more and more, watch his jumpers start to clank off the iron, and watch him take longer and longer to get up and down the court. That has nothing to do with the PG, that has to do with him wearing down, which something that he willingly acknowledged.

Overall, the Rockets shootings were abysmal last season. And the two best outside shooters, Rice and Posey (more in the last 2 months for posey), are now gone. Hopefully somebody can pick up the slack, but it's hard to get assists on a bad shooting team when you've got clankers like Griffin to pass to.

 

It's also hard to get assists when you are blowing your assignments and not passing to the open man, as JVG said Steve Francis was doing.

 

I will also note Jackie that before Jason Kidd, Kerry Kittles played with Stephon Marbury, who everybody claims is a much much much better point guard than Francis because he is so much better at getting his teammates involved.

 

How the coach and his offense too. Come on! Before you blame Steve, blame the guys who are missing open ass jumpers.

 

I assume you're talking about this preseason. I haven't seen any of the games so I can't comment. I was talking about last season.

 

Good point.

Also, I was not entirely serious, it was a bit of a T_J impersonation . I just can't keep up the straight face as long as he does.

 

Yeah he's, uhh, ........determined, I guess.

 

YELLING??? How do you know that I am yelling? I am typing, besides the sound of the keyboard, there is no other noise involved. His assists may be low compared to other PG's but our team shooting sucks, I have seen Francis pass the ball countless times to open guys and they miss. If they knock 3 or 4 more of those shots a game Francis easily averages 8-9-10 APG. Also, alot of times Francis will bring the ball up the court and then break someone down on the dribble, dish to someone else who dishes it to the scorer, which Francis doesn't get credit for. Just b/c he didn't pass the ball directly to the scorer doesn't mean that he didn't create the scoring oportunity for the team. I love YAO and Steve and the Rockets, and I DO read all the threads but EVERY SINGLE day this week there has been a Francis HATING thread. EVERY SINGLE DAY. I haven't a post specifically pointed towards the other Rockets, maybe Moochie ONCE, Kato ONCE, E.G. ONCE, Mobley maybe 2 or 3 times. Francis gets bashed every SINGLE day. All I am saying is give this nucleous some time to learn JVG's system. Everyone just wants to trade our BEST player. I said it before and I am going to say it again: "Unless you are going to get ONE of these players in return, do NOT trade Francis": Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Magrady, Garnett, Nowitzky, Paul Pierce. I would include Kidd but he is getting older and wouldn't be worth it in the long run. PLEASE GIVE FRANCIS A CHANCE, HE IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE.

 

I didn't even read the rest, but LOL. This must be like the first time you owned a computer and got online. Typing in all caps = yelling.