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Francis: A trip around the trading block

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Apr 5, 2004.

  1. Rockets34Legend

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=atriparoundthetradingblo&prov=tsn&type=lgns

    Steve Francis, Rockets. '04-05 salary: $11.3 million (five years, $68 million remaining).

    Outlook: Each side has tried to accommodate the other, but the differences between Francis and coach Jeff Van Gundy seem impossible to bridge. Francis is a dribble-happy, high-scoring shooting guard masquerading as a point guard; Van Gundy simply wants a ballhandler to deliver passes to center Yao Ming.

    The replacement:

    Andre Miller, Nuggets. '04-05 salary: $5.8 million (five years, $45 million remaining).

    Outlook: Miller and rookie Carmelo Anthony haven't meshed well, and when a team has a franchise player such as Anthony, it gets players that complement him. The Nuggets could use more of a pure point guard -- hence, rumors they will pursue Nash.

    Whaddya think?

    (I have gotten tired of Francis's crap....)
     
  2. Baqui99

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    Andre Miller wasn't the answer in Cleveland, LA, or Denver. What makes him the solution in Houston. I'd much rather get cheaper guy in the Marko Jaric mold.
     
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    Kirk Hinrich, come to Houston, baby!! Don't forget bring Tyson Chandler along with you.
     
  4. solid

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    Hinrich has such an upside, and that is why the Bulls won't let him go. He is going to be a premier guard in the league.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I hate Andre Miller....worse defender than Francis (I know!) and an abysmal 3 point shooter (18 %!)...basically the two things that JVG's defense and offense demand the most.

    Unless they throw in some more players, I would pass.

    Jaric is bigger but slower and not as much of a playmaker as miller though at least he is average from 3 point range -- not a sharpshooter though. Either way he's a definite downgrade from either Miller or Francis.
     
  6. PXZ

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    You are not talking about 38% FG, 3To per game, no rebounding Kirk Hinrich from the worst team in the NBA, are you?

    Do not get me wrong, I like Kirk. But he is not what people here dream of.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    How is Nash more of a "true point guard" than Andre Miller?

    I don't want to get rid of Francis, but I'd welcome the addition of Andre Miller to the roster.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    I don't understand the Hinrichwagon either. Night in, night out, he is simply not that impressive to me, and if you're going to be a star in this league, 38% is not going to cut it.
     
  9. Buck88

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    I like this better:

    Jamal Mashburn, Hornets. '04-05 salary: $9.4 million (three years, $30 million remaining). Outlook: Mashburn has evolved into a slowdown, halfcourt point forward. A change of scenery, a strong coach and a reduced role would serve him well.

    Someone who can score inside and out. Would do wonders for the Rockets offense. When Yao is fronted Mashburn can takeover. He also seems coachable. Don't think he'll ever be a shut-down defender but the offense he would bring to the table would help alot.
    Then use Mobley/Jackson as tradebait for a pointguard. The PG doesn't need to be a star, just someone who can get the ball into Yao's and Mashburn's hands without turning the damn ball over every other trip down the court.
     
  10. white lightning

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    If the Nuggets don't want Miller because he isn't a pure point guard, why would they want Francis?
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I could tell you what has a lot to do with it but this isn't the debate forum.
     
  12. solid

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    The couple of games I saw him play this year, he was an "assist machine," good passer, smart decision-maker, but the 38% shooting surprises me. He was a good shooter in college. I really like his smarts, but I want a "zone-breaking" shooter at the point.
     
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    Why are you guys so enamored with this guy? I have watched him enough to label him a bust, let alone that he is injury prone.
     
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    Health problem caused him to start the season in horrid fashion which had negative effect on his shooting percentage. And the guy takes and makes lots of 3s. Judge him by the normalized shooting percentage please.
     
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    A. Miller is shooting 46%, SF 40%
    FT% 83% to 77%
    TO 2.65 to 3.69

    I would like to have A. Miller over SF.
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    There are no "pure" black point guards.
     
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    Andre miller's 3 point shooting = 18%


    I can't overstate how important that is to the Rockets offense these days.
     
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    he shot 400 or better the first 2 months of the season, in the last 4 months hes shot 386,397,353, 345. he has shot better from 3pt land than everywhere else his last 3 months
     
  20. SamFisher

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    What's ironic is look at Jason Williams.

    The guy is having a MUCH better season than Hinrich (better shooting, fewer turnovers, more assists in fewer minutes, for a team that wins)...yet all they hype is about Hinrich ("good fundamentals...a gym rat...good decision maker")

    but since Williams was once called "White Chocolate", (guess what that connatation means...) nobody ever mentions him as a smart player.

    That's fine, but the games you didn't see, which are most of them, he wasn't that good. The guy average 6.5 apg, even Francis gets 6.2. Is Francis an assist machine? No.

    You guys have the trash/treasure syndrome...you see one or two guys have decent games against us and then forget that for the remaining 78 games a season, that player isn't as good.
     
    #20 SamFisher, Apr 5, 2004
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