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France accuses US of occupying Haiti

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  1. ymc

    ymc Member

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    Is this the ussal French Anti-Americanism or our military industrial complex is at work again? :confused:


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6992809.ece

    France and America bicker as Haiti aid fails to reach city

    The international effort to deliver humanitarian aid to the victims of last week's Port-au-Prince earthquake was hit by bickering today as a French government minister accused the Americans of trying to occupy Haiti instead of helping it.

    Thousands of American soldiers have poured in to Port-au-Prince airport since President Obama announced that he was ordering a "swift and aggressive" campaign to help millions of Haitians left homeless by last week's 7.0 magnitude earthquake.

    Six days after the quake, however, precious little aid is getting beyond the airport perimeters - largely because of security concerns - and aid agencies with long experience of operating in disaster zones have complained that their flights in are being blocked unnecessarily.

    Among the aircraft turned back by American air traffic controllers who have assumed control at Port-au-Prince airport was a French government Airbus carrying a field hospital.

    The plane was able to land the following day but the decision to turn it back prompted an official complaint from Alain Joyandet, the French Minister for Co-operation who is overseeing the French aid effort.

    Speaking to Europe 1 radio from an EU ministerial meeting in Brussels this morning, Mr Joyandet said that the UN would have to clarify the role of the US in the Haitian aid effort. "It's a matter of helping Haiti, not occupying Haiti," he said.

    Mr Joyandet's sniping is likely to anger the White House although the Foreign Minister, Bernard Kouchner, warned both governments and aid groups not to squabble as they try to get their aid into Haiti.

    “People always want it to be their plane ... that lands,” Mr Kouchner said. "What is important is the fate of the Haitians.”

    Before becoming a politician Mr Kouchner made his name as humanitarian pioneer, founding the doctors' charity Medecins sans Frontieres (MSF) in 1971.

    MSF is among the aid agencies directly affected by the logjam at Port-au-Prince airport. Its operations manager in Port-au-Prince, Benoit Leduc, complained today that five MSF flights have been turned back so far, three of them carrying cargo and two medical staff.

    "We clearly had about 48 hours extra delay because of this access problem," he told journalists in a conference call.

    One of the MSF flights turned back on Saturday was carrying a large inflatable hospital of a type that MSF have used in various disaster zones since the Kashmir earthquake four years ago. The flight was diverted to the neighbouring Santa Domingo and the hospital and ther medical supplies are having to be brought in overland.

    Six days after the devastating tremor that flattened much of the city and killed an estimated 200,000 people, 280 emergency centres were finally due to be set up, starting from today, to provide shelter and to distribute the enormous stockpiles of donated water and food that have been building up at Haiti's airport.

    The centres are due to be run and the supplies handed out by the United Nation's World Food Programme. Each will have the capacity for around 500 people, and will be situated in public building like schools and churches in Port au Prince and six nearby towns.

    Haitians complain that their Government has been silent - President Preval is himself camped out at the airport and has yet to address his people - and that aid distribution has been either totally absent or at best haphazard. They say that injured and vulnerable people are dying without shelter in the oppressive heat for lack of water.

    Ordinary water supplies are polluted and broken, and bottled water is selling for $6 a bottle on the black market in the streets. On the rare occasion that a water truck appears on the streets, it is mobbed.

    Even the most visible camp for homeless people - the sprawl of cardboard and blanket shelters in the Champs de Mars public park next to the ruined presidential palace - has not a single fixed water supply, aid distribution point or clinic to assess the needs of the wounded.

    The UN says that yesterday it managed to feed 40,000 people and that it hopes to increase that to 1 million people a day within two weeks, and 2 million in a month.

    "By the end of Monday, we will have distributed more than 200,000 food rations in and around Port-au-Prince," the UN World Food Programme announced in a statement. It said that it was establishing food kitchens to feed the hungry.

    But a community organiser at one makeshift camp for 10,000 people in Challe spoke angrily of UN blue berets arriving yesterday without warning and flinging small packets of biscuits from the back of their truck - the first aid workers they had seen and the first food most had eaten in days - but failing to bring the water and medical supplies that are most urgently needed.

    "We have been waiting since Tuesday and that is all there is!" agreed Vanel Louis-Paul, a father of three, brandishing an empty biscuit packet.

    At the airport, many soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division have been hanging around since Wednesday night without leaving the complex.

    One of them, Private First Class Patrick Jones, told The Times that only a few supplies of food and water had arrived. ”We don’t want to go out and distribute anything until we are sure we have enough for everyone,” he said. “We don’t want to give to some and not to others.”

    The delays are causing anger and frustration, and leading to unrest and violence. Witnesses report large-scale, organised looting by groups of youths armed with knives in the tight grid of streets next to the Champs de Mars homeless camp, stripping the last remaining supplies from the empty city.

    The gangs welcome the presence of reporters as protection from police. There are unconfirmed reports of police asking journalists to leave, and then firing live rounds to maim or kill the looters. A New York Times reported seeing four alleged looters dumped by police at the national cemetery, three dead and one dying from gunshot wounds.

    Mobs of Haitians are also reported to taking the law into their own hands, with at least one confirmed case of a looter lynched to death.

    Dorsainvil Robenson, a policeman chasing down looters in the capital, said: “We do not have the capacity to fix this situation. Haiti needs help ... the Americans are welcome here, but where are they? We need them here on the street with us.”
     
  2. mateo

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    Why would we want Haiti?
     
  3. edwardc

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    Who gives a Flying *uck what France Thinks
     
  4. justtxyank

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    In fairness to France, this wasn't the official position of the country. A single minister said this and I believe the French president came out almost immediately and repudiated the statements.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    That's what I saw in another article also.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you start air dropping food/supplies with no police/military on the ground and see what happens
     
  7. DcProWLer277

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    Civil war would happen...human survival of the fittest.
     
  8. SuperBeeKay

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    I dont blame France for accusing the Us of this
     
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  10. JuanValdez

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    After actually reading the article, I would say it is mere hyperbole. The US military has the keys to the kingdom at the moment by controlling the airport. Countries and organizations trying to help that can't because of the bottleneck at the airport are going to be frustrated. The guy is just frustrated at not getting his plane landed and is just saying whatever to put pressure to get his plane on the ground. JVG would have done the same.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    awesome
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Of course it's hyperbole, ymc is a good little ancestral netizen who likes to start hysterical anti-us threads in order to provoke a response. maybe he should move.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    That's JVG for you just trying to pound the aid into the middle no matter how clogged it is. Rick Adelman though would figure out a way to move the aid around so you could get aid coming in from many directions.
     
  14. justtxyank

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    Say what?
     
  15. pippendagimp

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    i've read a couple articles from american writers stating that the security issue there has been drastically overblown and/or manufactured in the american media. probably in order to justify our large military presence there.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    I've been approaching the looting articles with a suspicious eye after the alarmist Katrina bs. We do seem to have a fixation in the news on anarchy, saving children from the rubble, and how Haitians can still worship God after all this.
     
  17. pippendagimp

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    i found one of the articles i had read.....but it's more of simply an individual's report, as opposed to something that's been published by a journalist:

    Security issues over the last forty-eight hours have been our—quote “security issues” over the last forty-eight hours have been our leading concern. And there are no security issues. I’ve been with my Haitian colleagues. I’m staying at a friend’s house in Port-au-Prince. We’re working for the Ministry of Public Health for the direction of this hospital as volunteers. But I’m living and moving with friends. We’ve been circulating throughout the city until 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning every night, evacuating patients, moving materials. There’s no UN guards. There’s no US military presence. There’s no Haitian police presence. And there’s also no violence. There is no insecurity.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/doctor_misinformation_and_racism_have_frozen
     
  18. Dubious

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    Why in the holyhell would the US want to dominate Haiti?
    Give me one strategic or economic reason.

    Well one: to stop an massive influx of illegal immigration.

    Humanitarian aid// not duplicitous// not competitive.

    But look at a map, the best possible staging site for aid, security and order is
    the American base in Guantanamo. I haven't really heard that that's what is happening but it looks logistically advantageouos.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    I agree with your bewilderment at what we could possibly gain from Haiti. Especially since Puerto Rico is right there at our disposal as well. But then I have to remember that the people managing our govt. are a hell of a lot smarter than you and I. So perhaps there could be some value there unseen by us.
     
  20. ChrisBosh

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    I think after Iraq people are going to say crap like this, on the other hand if America had done nothing they would have claimed America is not the compassionate nation we thought it is or is a falling empire.

    Hugo Chavez was the first to state this, he's probably just scared because Hati is so close to his mother land.....
     

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