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[FoxNews] U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

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  1. ymc

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    Neo-cons are now drafting Iran bombing plan because the Germans won't join us in further Iran sanctions. What do you think? Will we see a war very soon? :eek:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html

    U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

    Tuesday, September 11, 2007

    By James Rosen

    WASHINGTON — A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.

    Germany — a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States — notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council.

    The announcement was made at a meeting in Berlin that brought German officials together with Iran desk officers from the five member states of the Security Council. It stunned the room, according to one of several Bush administration and foreign government sources who spoke to FOX News, and left most Bush administration principals concluding that sanctions are dead.

    The Germans voiced concern about the damaging effects any further sanctions on Iran would have on the German economy — and also, according to diplomats from other countries, gave the distinct impression that they would privately welcome, while publicly protesting, an American bombing campaign against Iran's nuclear facilities.

    Germany's withdrawal from the allied diplomatic offensive is the latest consensus across relevant U.S. agencies and offices, including the State Department, the National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, the most ardent proponent of a diplomatic resolution to the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions, has had his chance on the Iranian account and come up empty.

    Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind. Among those advising Rice along these lines are John Rood, the assistant secretary for the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation; and a number of Mideast experts, including Ambassador James Jeffrey, deputy White House national security adviser under Stephen Hadley and formerly the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs.

    Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

    The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

    On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

    Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.

    The Bush administration "has just about had it with Iran," said one foreign diplomat. "They tried the diplomatic process. China is now obstructing them at the U.N. Security Council and the Russians are tucking themselves behind them.

    "The Germans are wobbling …There are a number of people in the administration who do not want their legacy to be leaving behind an Iran that is nuclear armed, so they are looking at what are the alternatives? They are looking at other options," the diplomat said.

    Vice President Cheney and his aides are said to be enjoying a bit of "schadenfreude" at the expense of Burns. A source described Cheney's office as effectively gloating to Burns and Rice, "We told you so. (The Iranians) are not containable diplomatically."

    The next shoe to drop will be when Rice and President Bush make a final decision about whether to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and/or its lethal subset, the Quds Force, as a terrorist entity or entities. FOX News reported in June that such a move is under consideration.

    Sources say news leaks about the prospective designation greatly worried European governments and private sector firms, which could theoretically face prosecution in American courts if such measures became law and these entities continued to do business with IRGC and its multiple financial subsidiaries.

    If the Bush administration moves forward with such a designation, sources said, it would be an indication that Rice agrees that Burns' approach has failed. Designation of such a large Iranian military institution as a terrorist entity would also be seen, sources said, as laying the groundwork for a public justification of American military action.
     
  2. SWTsig

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    i'm just glad us, the american people, will have a say in this.... i'd hate to think that these cowards in their ivory towers would make these decisions w/o our say.

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  3. NewYorker

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    We should just blow their reactors to smitherins. Nothing else. If the internation community won't get tough with Iran, then we should for sure.

    But it's going to come at a price, and certainly won't do much to improve our standing - but then again, it can't be worse anyway. I think this is a ploy by us though to call the German's bluff, I doubt they want us to bomb Iran.
     
  4. CometsWin

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    I have no problem with a bombing plan. It's after the bombing that they really need to plan for though. Hopefully someone's learned that lesson by now. If Iran attacks Israel in retaliation for our air strikes then everything could unravel. The US takes its eye off of Aghanistan, the Taliban crushes the government there and Al-Qaeda comes back over the border from Pakistan. The US takes its eye off of Iraq and Turkey invades northern Iraq to battle the Kurds. Iran takes on Israel and Saudi maybe does the same or maybe they just ramp up their proxy forces in Iraq even more to drive out the Iranian influence which in turn causes us more casualties and deaths. Lebanon again becomes a battlefield because Hezbollah isn't just going to sit on its ass if Iran gets attacked. Oh, by the way, what happens to the price of oil? Does Chavez take all his oil off the world market and start selling directly to China at the same time we're blockading and attacking Iran? What about North Korea, do they start getting nervous and do something crazy because we've now taken out 2 of the 3 axis of evil countries? This administration better understand the stakes this time because it could get a lot uglier than things are right now.
     
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    People, think about it! This is the same Bush administration that invaded Iraq over the objections of the world and look what happened. If Iran is bombed it will set the Middle East (and maybe the world) on fire. If you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

    Another thought on this is years ago, my brother was involved in a huge negotiation between the G7 and a large group of debtor nations. I forget the exact circumstances. Anyway, behind the table, Germany and another European country asked the U.S. to take a hardline stance on a particular issue. They were afraid to broach the subject themselves. The U.S. did so and took 100% of the brunt and blame from the debtor countries, who had no clue the whole thing was Germany's idea. That's why I can almost believe the comment about Merkel. What I don't completely understand is that a bombing campaign in Iran would also negatively affect the German economy. I suppose the difference is Merket could criticize the bombing and blame the negative consequences on the U.S, even though she might privately support the action. Gutless!

    Lastly, I don't really believe for one minute the Bush administration would do this. Color me verrrry skeptical of this article.
     
  6. DonkeyMagic

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    the military always develops "plans" on certain future situations or possible events. Seems to make sense.
     
  7. ymc

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    Well, I am sure we have plans to fight China, Russia also but these plans are not out in the news. In contrast, plans to fight Iran is on the news for quite some time now, sorta like Iraq in 2002.... :rolleyes:
     
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    well, we do know that China has a plan to beat the U.S. in a nasty war - and it's well publicized as well. Does that mean China is about to attack?
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    Does this have to do with iran wanting only euros and yen for their oil?
     
  10. ymc

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    Can you tell me the Chinese news articles that talked about that, please? ;)
     
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    Possible. Saddam did the same thing in year 2000. See where he is now? :rolleyes:

    http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html
     
  12. jo mama

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    yeah, bombing a country that didnt attack us is a brilliant and totally moral idea!

    iran has absolutely no capability to attack israel and even if they tried, israel has the ability to destroy iran w/in a matter of minutes. how many thousands of nukes do they have again? to think that iran is any kind of threat to israel is a joke.
     
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    Iran is of course no threat existentially to Israel. Israel can just nuke them all. Contrary to the subliminal message Iran and its leaders are not madmen who could care less about their own lives and survival.

    However, Iran is somewhat a threat to the expansion of Israel into the occupied territories, as I take it they are somewhat supportive of Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestinians that are resisting the permanent annexation of the desireable parts of the West Bank and/ or Gaza. The annexation of more land and the pacification of the Palestinians is, of course, the whole thrust of Israeli politics

    You wonder what Iran has to gain by defying Bush and the neocons. I think that they take the lesson of Sadam, Iraq and possibly North Korea as meaning that they need nukes to avoid this type of attack. Just like Sadam was essentially given one choice, to renounce unconditionally, the neocons will stop at nothing in their demands on Iran if they believe an attack fits their ideology of starting wars to spread their ideology.

    Iran also hopes that they can run out the clock and once Bush the warmonger is out that they won't be so much subject to continual threats of invasion or massive bombing.

    $5-8 per gallon gas and a big drop in the market could occur if Bush carries out his plans. Of course those guys will make a big gain by timing the drop.
     
  14. DonkeyMagic

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    "thousands" of nukes??? :confused:

    i thought the most common estimate is that they have around 400
     
  15. NewYorker

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    da nile is a river that runs in egypt but has been known to have a hefty flow in China ;)
     
  16. jo mama

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    ive heard estimates in the thousands. it was estimated to be 400 10 years ago. how many do they have now? to quote rumsfeld, "who knows!". israel wont even admit that they have any and they refuse to allow inspectors in and they refuse to sign onto the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. and the united states just agreed to give 30 billion in military aid to israel - wonder what that is going to?

    either way, israel could destroy iran. to think iran is any kind of threat to isreal is a joke.

    the mullahs and ahmadinejad are about as popular in iran as bush is here. an american attack on iran would be the best thing that could happen for them.
     
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    you quoting rumsfeld...i didnt see that coming.

    to ignore iran as and say they are not "any kind of threat" is a joke.
     
  18. plcmts17

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    So if Iran is a threat like Iraq was a threat under saddam, why didn't we just bomb them into submission?
    Let me guess......it's because saddam had wmd's, right?

    So if Iran has wmd's or the ability to make wmd's are you for invading Iran as well?

    The only joke is those that want to move on to Iran when we haven't fixed and/or stabilzed Iraq.
     
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    Isreal owns them all in Middle East, seriously. By far the most sufficient military force in the word.
     
  20. ymc

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    So what? I think bombing Iran is beneficial to Israel lobby, military industrial lobby and oil lobby just like Iraq. So Bush & Co might as well go there as well. Why should they care about moral? :confused:
     

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