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[Fox Sports] Charles Barkley not ranked among best all-time power forwards

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  1. Yaowaming

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3747894


    Best all-time power forwards
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    Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
    Posted: 37 minutes ago



    They used to be called hatchet men.

    The blunt edges of their talents hewed out rebounds, screens, defense and the kind of selective brutality essential to any contact sport. They were later referred to as enforcers. However, in today's game, the skills and duties of power forwards cover the entire spectrum of the game.

    No. 1 TIM DUNCAN
    Since the retirement of David Robinson, Tim Duncan has become just a part-time power forward because come crunch-time, Robert Horry plays the four, while TD is the Spurs' center.



    In any case, Duncan's virtues are well known: Nifty post-up moves (with his right-handed jump hook being his supreme weapon), sure-handed rebounding, long-armed defense, alert passes and somewhat overrated jump shooting. Although he uses his elbows as grappling hooks, the Big Fundamental plays with more finesse than actual power. Despite that fact, his ability to deliver in the clutch, resourcefulness and above all, his will to win, put him at the top of this list.


    No.2 KEVIN McHALE
    Kevin McHale had the most effective variety of low-post moves of any power forward or center. Drop-steps, spins, hooks, duck-unders, face-ups, back-downs, fadeaway and turn-around jumpers — as well as some improvised moves that were beyond categorizing. His unstoppability was evidenced by McHale's leading the league in field goal percentage twice (1986-88, with identical percentages of 60.4).

    He was also an OK passer, great offensive rebounder and adequate presence on the defensive glass. And McHale's defense was every bit as outstanding as his offense. He was listed at 6-foot-10, but with his long arms and high shoulders, McHale played at least five inches taller.

    The Larry Bird-Robert Parrish-Kevin McHale front line is generally considered to be the most dominant of all time — and it was McHale who did most of the heavy lifting that enabled the Celtics to win three championships (1981, '84, '86) during his 13-year tenure in Boston. Indeed, all of McHale's pertinent numbers were higher during the playoffs.

    Although partially hidden in Bird's shadow, McHale was a legitimate franchise player in his own right.


    No. 3 BOB PETTIT
    This guy rendered most of his opponents' numbers powerless. His honors included two MVPs, (1956, '59), one championship ('58), and he was selected to the All-NBA First Team from 1955-64.

    Bob Pettit was a savage rebounder — his career-high was 20.3 per game in 1960-61, and he concluded his 11 seasons (with the Milwaukee/St. Louis Hawks) averaging 16.2. He scored with one-handed sets, mid-range springers, put-backs and hard-nosed drives to the rim. Put Pettit down for a lifetime mark of 26.4 ppg. He was a dependable (if not prolific) passer and a ferocious (if foul-prone) defender.

    The bigger the game, the bigger he played.


    No. 4 KARL MALONE
    Why such a low rating for a two-time MVP and the second-leading scorer ever?

    Because Karl Malone was a choke artist. In the clutch, he'd miss free throws and take ill-advised shots. For example, instead of pounding his way into the lane from his customary station on the left box, Malone would spin baseline and uncork a low-percentage jumper.

    And don't pay any attention to his being named three times to the NBA's All-Defensive Team (1997-99). In truth, he was strong enough to move any low-post player several feet from his favorite spot. But his lateral movement was always poor, meaning any opponent who could turn and face would always wind up with a clean look. Also, Malone's pet ploy was to swipe at the ball while his opponent was preparing to shoot. Sometimes Malone was successful, but more often than not, his gamble would be futile, and he would be left exposed and off balance, placing his teammates in jeopardy.

    Malone was never anything more than a good player. John Stockton's crafty passes are responsible for turning Malone into a cinch Hall-of-Famer.


    No. 5 DAVE DeBUSSCHERE
    Yeah, he was a terrific spot-shooter with incredible range. He could rebound, pass and drive. But Dave DeBusschere gained entry into the Hall of Fame (1983) mostly on the basis of his Velcro-chested defense.

    He wasn't fond of switching on defense. He'd take care of his man and thought his teammates should take care of theirs. And his single-minded resolve to shut down his opponent (usually the other team's high scorer, often even at the small forward position) disrupted the bad guys' game plan more than if DeBusschere went out and scored 30 points.

    No player was tougher, and no guy worked harder. DeBusschere was the unsung hero of both of New York's championships.


    No. 6 DOLPH SCHAYES
    Dolph Schayes' rough-and-tumble game was made for the pros, and indeed he was a much better player with the Syracuse Nationals than he ever was at New York University.

    He put up points (18.2 over 16 seasons) with a high-arcing, two-hand set, with fearless drives into the lane and superb marksmanship at the foul line. Schayes led the NBA in free throw percentage in 1957-58, 1959-60 and 1961-62. He was also a savvy passer and determined rebounder (pacing the league in 1950-51 with 16.4 per game). Schayes may have been a belligerent (and slow-footed) defender, but most of his fouls left opponents with bruises.

    As mild-mannered as he was off the court, Schayes played in a fury once the lights were switched on, How tough was he? He once broke his right arm during the prime of his career and proceeded to shoot left handed, using the cast to club his way to the basket.

    Schayes was an All-NBA First Team selection six times over, and was the primary reason why the Nationals were NBA champs in 1955. He was also one of the few players who had All-Star seasons both before and after the installation of the 24-second shot clock.


    Dennis Rodman proved that defense wins championships. (Jonathan Daniel / Getty Images)


    No. 7 DENNIS RODMAN
    Despite his zany lifestyle, Dennis Rodman was the ultimate role player. Defense, rebounding and running the court were his contributions to a slew of championships with Detroit and Chicago. For sheer athleticism, no other power forward could compare with Rodman.

    Unbeknownst to many casual basketball fans, Rodman was also an incredibly intelligent player. Whereas Karl Malone could never absorb even the most basic elements of the triangle offense, Rodman mastered every intricacy in his first training camp with Chicago.

    Not as physically strong as DeBusschere, and (besides put-backs and fast-break flashes) never being a scoring threat, Rodman was a more versatile defender than the Knicks' Hall of Famer in that he could throw a net over shooting guards, small forwards, power forward and centers.

    Like Bill Russell before him, Rodman proved that defense wins championships.


    Just missing the cut:

    Bobby Jones
    Jerry Lucas
    Vern Mikkelsen
    James Worthy
    Gus Johnson.

    Missing in action:

    Kevin Garnett — hasn't been there, hasn't done that.

    Charles Barkley — only played defense when the spirit moved him. He routinely came into training camp grossly overweight, and then chastised his teammates for being out of shape.

    Elvin Hayes — awful defense, awful fundamentals, awful attitude.

    Bob McAdoo — soft, selfish and defenseless.

    Charley Rosen, former CBA coach, author of 12 books about hoops, the current one being A pivotal season — How the 1971-72 L.A. Lakers changed the NBA, is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.
     
  2. Kam

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    im no Karl Malone guy, but man, that guy isn't number four. He is atleast number 2.
     
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    haha, this guy tore apart the mailman, lmao, awesome.
     
  4. Hakeem06

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    he's going to rip apart elvin hayes for an awful attitude, & awful fundamentals but somehow dennis rodman is better???? give me a f'in break. charles wasn't a very good defender but he was a hell of a lot better rebounder than mchale and a whole 5 inches shorter. plus, KG is so much better than debusschre, schayes, and rodman it's not even funny.

    and another thing about barkley, i bet this clown thinks shaq is the greatest center ever and all the criticisms about charles apply to shaq too. shaq is good at standing 3 ft. from the rim and blocking shots but you get him 8+ ft. out he couldn't guard an 80 year old woman in a wheelchair. and when was the last time shaq weighed under 340 pounds???
     
  5. leebigez

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    Thats one of the worse rated polls i've ever seen. McHale #2 was crazy and I'm a McHale guy, but in front of Barkley and Malone is insane. Why? Who did Barkley play with in philly? Mahorn,Dawkins,Hawkins,Ron anderson,Mike Gminski, and dudes like that. Mchale had Parrish and Bird. Hell, a couple yrs he had cornbread maxwell,tiny archibald dennis johnson,danny ainge and guys like that. Malone had stockton. I'm really wondering if any 4 should be ahead of Malone. The numbers the guys put up are crazy. McHale didn't play defense either.
     
  6. Hakeem06

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    yeah, mchale was a decent defender but it's not like he was that much better than charles. but i think this guy is like a lot of people who just don't like charles because he has always spoken his mind and that pisses a lot people off. deep down they know he's one of the top 3 or 4 PF's ever but they'll find some small hole in his game and say dave debusschre and dennis rodman (who may have been great defensively but was one of the worst offensive players to ever play) are better.
     
  7. BigM

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    rosen is an assclown who likes stirring it up. i've learned not to take anything he says seriously cause i've yet to read anything he's written without thinking WTF?
     
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    Okay, I definitely think Barkley should've been on this list. Barkley was other-worldly for a few years... though maybe that was this writer's problem with him, he was not at that level for long enough.

    Secondly, I'm not so sure I'd take Rodman over any of those he omitted. Especially Jerry Lucas and James Worthy. I mean, Rodman over Jerry Lucas? Come on...

    Thirdly, Schayes was a GREAT player, but he was really more of a small forward.
     
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    McHale was great, but putting him in front of Malone because of the championships is a stretch. Bird was the glue on those Celtics teams and McHale was NOT a franchise player in his own right.

    I dislike Barkley, but in Philly, he was a one man team. There was nobody there to support him. He also gave Malone fits when they played each other. If Malone belongs on this list, so does Barkley. Chuck didn't take care of himself which is why Malone outlasted him, but at their peak, Chuck was better, and compared to Malone he was clutch. He showed his greatness in the Finals against the Bulls while Malone displayed his tight collar on the big stage. At the very least, Charles should be under "Just Missing the Cut".
     
  10. Drexlerfan22

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    Are you serious?
     
  11. topfive

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    Let's see... 4 of his top 7 are white guys. All of the 4 that he dismisses for being lazy, selfish, awful or inexperienced are black guys.

    Just sayin'.

    I'm betting he lists Mikan, Walton and Jeff Ruland as the three best centers.
     
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    This author is an idiot. He's stuck on the old school players with fundamentals.
     
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    That was one of the first things that came to my mind as well.
     
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    i ain't no karla fan either, but that swipe move was pretty damn effective. he wasn't tall enough or athletic enough to block the shot, so this was the next best thing. he was pretty accurate with the slap, and if he wasn't, i'm sure it hurt like hell if he fouled you. also, even at his old age, he limited both duncan and garnett last year (two guys who could easily beat him with speed) b/c of that strength rosen mentioned. garnett couldn't even begin to back him down and duncan didn't have much more luck.

    not putting barkley #3, much less on the list, is a freakin' crime. yeah, barkley only played D when he felt like it but rodman only played O when he felt like it (which was it turns out, was never). if rodman is defense and rebounding, chuck is offense and rebounding and he was a better player than rodman ever was.

    i'm really looking forward to the center rankings now, when should those be out. walt bellamy will probably beat out hakeem or something.
     
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    His rip-up of Karla makes everything else quite palatable.
     
  16. topfive

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    So the 2nd-greatest scorer in NBA history was never anything more than a good player. Lucky for him he had a smart white guy there to feed him those "crafty" passes.

    It'll be interesting to see how he rips Jordan and praises Paxon.
     
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    This is the same Charley Rosen who said that Karl Malone wasn't a top 10 PF, all time. Now he has him ranked #4.

    Rosen is not a writer to be taken seriously, and he never really has been.
     
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    For the record, I once read that Barkley said McHale was the best player he ever matched up against.
     
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    I think they changed the rules at least twice because of Charles Barkley. Illegal Defense, and I think zone. He was 6,6.
    please
     
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    I took one glance at that list and knew we had an idiot on our hands.
     

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