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[Fox Propaganda Service] Was Iraq Behind the Oklahoma City Bombing?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Apr 20, 2005.

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  1. No Worries

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    Any bets whether Rush leads with this speculation disguised as news?

    Was Iraq Behind the Oklahoma City Bombing?
    Tuesday, April 19, 2005
    By John Gibson

    Fox News

    On Tuesday's show you heard FOX News' Rita Cosby talking about the quite shocking claims made by a group of victims' families that Iraq was at the bottom of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City.

    This has come up before: A reporter named Jayna Davis has a book out about it.

    The whole thing stinks of Iraq. Ramzi Yousef (search), an Iraqi agent that was involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and his associates were allegedly talking to Terry Nichols (search) in 1994 about how to build a fertilizer bomb.

    So now the question: So if there is all this evidence, why has the U.S. government ignored it?

    Well, for one thing, I submit George W. Bush didn't ignore it after September 11, 2001. He realized then that Iraq was behind a lot of the attacks on the U.S. and it was time for it to stop.

    But before September 11th, he did ignore it and so did the Clinton administration. The lawyer who is suing told Rita he didn't think the previous administration was willing to go to war over the Murrah Building bombing.

    OK. But why keep it secret now?

    The answer is Tim McVeigh and the U.S. government were each doing their part to hide the real players. Government prosecutors said there was no "John Doe No. 2" even though dozens of people saw him. McVeigh insisted all the way to the grave that he acted alone, when everybody including his lawyer knew he was lying.

    If McVeigh were just the grunt — mixing the chemicals, driving the truck, setting the timer, and running off — guilty though he might be, if the bombing was a plot by a foreign government, his lawyer would have had a chance at the sentencing hearing to argue that others were more responsible and McVeigh should not be executed.

    The fear that the McVeigh execution might have been an error — and a mistaken execution — could put the federal death penalty itself in jeopardy. The fear of losing the federal death penalty could explain why the U.S. government does not appear to be anxious to act on evidence it has that Iraq may have been involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

    That's My Word.
     
  2. AggieRocket

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    Give me a F***** break!! If Iraq was behind Oklahoma City, then I'm Ben Vereen.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Countdown until t_j or texxx calls you "Ben."
     
  4. Saint Louis

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    It's Iraq's fault that the Astros have never been to the World Series. It's Iraq's fault that Terry Schiavo's feeding tube was removed. It is Iraq's fault that Tom Delay acts like a big schmuck. It is Iraq's fault that there is traffic in Houston. It is Iraq's fault that their is humidity in Houston. Dang, I think we should invade Iraq again, even though our forces have never left.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    Despite the topic starting from Fox News, how would we know the truth for sure? We axed the guy who supposedly set off the bomb.

    The stunning holes to the case was that he obviously had more help than Nicols and that other convicted guy, but when McVeigh hogged the spotlight by admitting to everything, everyone accepted it and his death as some magic evil doer cleansing. The militia groups who possibly helped him were also quick to dismiss him after realizing his ideals and his arrogance and delusions of grandeur from his confession.
     
  6. MadMax

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    I personally blame Biggio for Oklahoma City. But that's just me.
     
  7. No Worries

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    I personally blame Biggio for Oklahoma City

    I have always said batting Biggio second is playing with fire. Not a difficult jump from playing with fire to bombing buildings really.
     
  8. Zac D

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    You know, a lot of times I think that the "FOX news is way conservative" stuff is overblown, just like the conception that the rest of the mainstream media is liberal.

    And then last night I saw Ann Coulter (*shudder*) whining about how her horribly disfigured picture on the cover of Time is proof that the media is liberal.

    Ooooooooooooooooooookay...
     
  9. MadMax

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    good answer. gooooood answer. i like the way you think. i'm gonna be watching you.
     
  10. Nolen

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    I thought it was just the far out left guys that cooked up insane conspiracy theories.
     
  11. haven

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    I hear that Iran was behind the eruption of Mt. St. Helens...attack!!!!.
     
  12. Hippieloser

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    Can anyone vouch for Saddam Hussein's whereabouts during the Kennedy Assasination?
     
  13. No Worries

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    First 911. Now the OK city bombing. Iraq has been a very bad, bad boy. What's next? Abortion clinic bombings and shootings?
     
  14. nyquil82

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    BS, an Iraqi wouldn't last long enough in Oklahoma to even buy a lighter.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Did anybody see the actual report by Rita Crosby?
     
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    Fox News is resembling the Arab media more and more. The Arab media spread some BS about how the Jews were behind 9/11. Now Fox News (the American equivalent) is spreading similar BS about an Iraqi connection to Oklahoma City.
     
  17. wizardball

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    yes Bin Laden - Saddam - and Al-Queida group members are celebrating 4:20..in Iraq.:D ..now that should be on the news.
     
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    I'm waiting for this to turn into another bash Steve Francis thread.
     
  19. Saint Louis

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    I knew it! Steve Francis is an Iraqi / Al-Queida agent! Maybe Steve Francis is the anti-christ? Somebody contact the Vatican, we may be onto something here.
     
  20. rhester

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    There are always questions raised when the truth is assumed, unclear or complex...

    Some of these men who weren't ask to testify at McVeigh's trial should have been asked, especially since they were publishing these type statements back at the time-

    Dr. Samuel Cohen, inventor of the neutron bomb and one of the last remaining
    scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project and has spent more than 50 years
    involved in scientific work stated: "I believe that demolition charges in the building
    placed inside at certain key concrete columns did the primary damage to the Murrah
    Federal Building." (June 1995) "It would have been absolutely impossible and against
    the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil, no matter how much was
    used --to bring the building down." Contacted shortly after the third anniversary
    of the bombing, Dr. Cohen stated, "I have not been following the case closely, but it
    seems to me that the evidence has gotten much stronger in favor of internal charges,
    while the ammonium nitrate bomb theory has fallen apart."

    Alvin Norberg is another expert in the field of explosives,
    Norberg is a licensed professional engineer in Auburn, California with over 50 years of
    engineering experience on over 5,000 construction projects, writes that evidence from the ETS data:

    "...verifies that the severe structural damage to the Murrah Building was not
    caused by a truck bomb outside the building," and that "the collapse of the Murrah
    Federal Building was the result of 'mechanically coupled devices' (bombs) placed
    locally within the structure adjacent to the critical columns."

    Mike Smith, a civil engineer in Cartersville, Georgia, commissioned to review the
    Eglin Blast Effects Study, states:

    "The results of the Blast Effect Test One on the Eglin Test Structure present
    strong evidence that a single Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel Oil device of approximately
    4800 lbs. placed inside a truck could not have caused the damage to the Murrah
    federal Building experienced on April 19, 1995.

    "Even assuming that the building had structural deficiencies and that the ANFO
    device was constructed with racing fuel, the air-coupled blast produced from this
    4800 lb. device would not have damaged the columns and beams of the Murrah
    Building enough to produce a catastrophic failure. "

    Alexander B. Magnus, P.E., M.E. in letter to Warden Lappin at the Federal Penitentiary, Terra Haute, IN on June 10, 2001:

    "Moreover, although a large number of top technical experts would have willingly
    testified at the McVeigh trial that the prosecutions version of the single truck
    bomb theory was physically impossible, these experts were never permitted to
    present such testimony. As a result, Timothy McVeigh was "convicted" of
    committing a physical impossibility.

    "Consequently, I urge you not to proceed with the execution of Timothy McVeigh
    since critical exculpatory expert testimony was not presented to the McVeigh jury
    for consideration. The execution of Timothy McVeigh will constitute additional
    destruction of "evidence."
     
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