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Forte = Trajan Langdon ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
Francis3 are you smoking crack or are you just joking? Langdon was a one dimensional player in that he could shoot. Forte has better size, can handle the ball and penetrate...he's a true scorer despite not having the kind of shot Langdon does--but he just finds a way to put it in the hole. I think a lot of NBA teams are going to find that Forte could be a combo guard that can play point at times... Totally inaccurate comparison ------------------ P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
I hate to borrow from jim rome, but Forte is a "piece of crap". This is a UNC shooting guard right? Did you catch his "clutch" performance against PSU? Ever since that horrible missed dunk off the front rim in that Duke tourny game, I can't think of a single reason he's good enough for the league. I seriously hope he reconsiders going pro, but then again, judging from the rest of the college players, Forte may as well be a lottery pick if not top 3. Don't forget Jacobsen and Murphy also made first team. Very sad don't you think! Battier and Williams are the only players I see succeeding in the league so far for sure. ------------------
I have met Joseph Forte before, Im 6'4 and he is listed at 6'4. Im sorry to say but the guy wasnt my height, he looked about 6'2-6'3. He is suppose to be a shooting guard. I dont see him doing anythng in the nba that is big. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
Iverson is 6'0. As long as you get a bigger one, you can have a small two. Forte is as athletic as stevie, has a a better shot than iverson, and is a pretty good defensive player. At least let him play one game, before you decide once and for all that he sucks. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
"Forte is as athletic as stevie, has a a better shot than iverson, and is a pretty good defensive player." Forte is none of those things. Average athleticism. Undersized. Lacks exceptional quickness. Hads trouble handling the press. If you watch games of him against Tulane and Florida last year, you could see him struggle mightily against the press. Has a good feel for the game. Very smooth player. Creative scorer. Good jumper. But on the next level, expect the 2nd coming of Miles Simon, if anything else. All that means is a very good college player, nonexistant pro. ------------------
Da Man True, Forte is not near as athletic as Steve (few are)...however he is above average athletically. How can you say he is not athletic then three lines down say he is a good leaper? True, Forte doesn't have a better shot than Iverson...but he can stick the three on occasion. That's not what's good about him, though--he has a very good in between game, and that's what's intriguing about him. As for him not being able to handle the press...Forte is paired with Ron Curry in the backcourt, who is the worst starting point guard in the ACC. Thus Forte has had to do a lot of the ballhandling for NC, and there is no one to take the pressure off him...he is the Heels only perimeter threat--Capel is more of a spot-up shooter and Curry's offensive game is severely limited--and when that's the case it's not too hard to shut him down. Not saying he's going to be an all-star, but with the Miles comparison you're insinuating he won't be in the league...and I think he'll be a capable NBA guard. One guy I think you could compare him to is Richard Hamilton, although few can match Rip in a foot race. ------------------ P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
He is a much better shooter than Iverson. If you want to go strictly by stats, he shoots 38% from the three point line and 45% from the field, and 85% from the foul line. Compare that to Iverson's 32% from outside the arc, 42% from the field, and 82% from the free throw line. Forte even grabbed more steals, 94 in 33 games, to iverson's 153 in 62 games. While I realize that college is different from the NBA, He is only 20 years old. He will be a very special player. IMHO, he will be a all star in this league. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
"How can you say he is not athletic then three lines down say he is a good leaper?" I never said he was a good leaper. I said he has a good feel for the game. And he is just an average athlete. Being compared to Miles Simon isn't too shabby. They guy was a 2 time All-American. He had that lottery look to him after his championship season with Arizona, but his 2nd All-American stint exposed his game as a poor translation for the pros. He wasn't quick enough. Had good handles at the collegiate rank. Undersized. Didn't get enough elevation on his shot. Awkward release. Average athleticism. Forte had problems handling the press in his freshmen year too with Ed Cota as his funning mate. Florida in the Final Four ate him up with the press. He is just an average athlete. NOt very fast. NOt exceptionally quick. And he sure the hell doesn't jump out of the gym. Rip Hamilton is not even a close comparison because Rip wass a much more accomplished player. He was a 2 time All American, leading his team to a National Championship. The guy made Rudy T's Olympic Team after his sophomore season as players like Trajan Langdon couldn't make the cut. He is not a great athlete, but definately above average. He is a solid 6'6" with length on him. One of the great jump shooters in the college ranks in the last 4 years. He worked without the ball as well as anyone in college at the time. Did a lot of his scoring slashing, filling the lanes, and shooting off screens. Didn't show a lot of ball handling abilities at the time with El-Amin at the point. But obviously he has some handles as he is starting at the point in the NBA. Consistently produced big time in the NCAA tournament. Whether it was nailing the buzzer beater his sophomore season in the 2nd round over Washington or icing the national championship game with daggers to overcome the mighty Blue Devils his junior year. His college pedigree and pro skills merit a higher praise for Rip over Forte. "If you want to go strictly by stats, he shoots 38% from the three point line and 45% from the field, and 85% from the foul line. Compare that to Iverson's 32% from outside the arc, 42% from the field, and 82% from the free throw line. Forte even grabbed more steals, 94 in 33 games, to iverson's 153 in 62 games." Are you on crack or something? No one ever compares college statistics with pro statistics. So what if Forte has better stats than Iverson. That's like saying when Kurt Thomas led the nation in scoring and rebounding with 29 and 15 at the time was better than Olajuwon. Or when Bo Kimble averaged well over 30 a game in 1990 was better than Dominique. Or how bout Dennis Scott scoring close the 30 in 1990 being better than Chris Mullin. Who the **** cares? Iverson is one of the top 5 players in the league. Forte isn't even the best player in his conference. Am I suppose to be impressed that he shoots 3% from the field higher than Iverson. Or that he can only shoot 38% from 3 point land at a puny ass distance. I'm telling you, mark my words when it comes to evaluating talent. Forte will never be an All-Star. That includes both the NBA and the CBA. ------------------
I'll trust you... but now work for us , give us a mock draft of best rankings (forget about who's picking where for now). I just want to see who's the best talent comparatively. Have you had an opportunity to review Tyson or Curry? ------------------ (===)
Hey Da Man Not to call you out or anything...but if I am to "mark your words" without knowing you, you're going to need to tell me you're a scout or director of player personnel or something. Because otherwise, if you're just a hoops junkie like I am, I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one ------------------ P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
Damn you are a dummy. Since i didn't even mention Stats besides percentages and that one steals stats, these stats do apply. Percentages can be applied, we have the same free throw line, players he played against will likely be the same size in the NBA(He will probably move to the one, and a three point line that is 2 feet closer. Damn close. I, along with many college analysts, say he was the 3rd best player in the country(behinds Williams and Battier). Iverson wasn't the best either. Forte is 20 years old And in the future please refrain from asking stupid-ass questions like "Are you on crack or something?" ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion [This message has been edited by vj23k (edited March 21, 2001).]
Sorry, Da Man, but I'm also going to have to slightly disagree with you. I think Forte is above-average athletically, has a decent skill-level, and is a good shooter and scorer. No, I don't think he'll be a star in the NBA, but on the right team he could be a nice 6th or 7th man, and could back up at the 2 or 3. Basically, he's very similar to Shammond Williams. Williams is the better athlete, but Forte is the better shooter. ------------------
Joe Forte is ridiculously overrated and it is VERY apparent that he needs more college time before he goes pro. Sure he can score, but is that all? Apparently so. His defense is SOOOOO suspect, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't have ANY court vision that I can see....overall, he is VERY one-dimensional and is making a BIG mistake thinking he can ball with the big boys...I hope he becomes a bench player on the Cavs for the rest of his career...that's about the worst punishment i could think of on short notice. ------------------ Live from Cary Quad Andy
Damn! Where's all this bitterness towards Forte coming from? I mean it's one thing if you don't like the guy's game, but why does he need some kind of 'punishment'? Jiminy Christmas!! The guy can't rebound? He averaged six a game...in their win against Duke he had 16 (even though a lot of that came on long rebounds from Duke's trey launching) One dimensional? He was second on the team in assists...just three behind their friggin point guard! He shoots free throws well, too...hardly one-dimensional...again, I'm not saying he's going to be a stud, an all-star, what have you...but he has a place in the league, even if he chooses to come out this year. ------------------ P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
I think ole boy above spoiled the milk with such ridiculous statements as MORE ATHLETIC THAN STEVIE BETTER SHOT THAN IVERSON . .. Then Comparing the college 'Percentages' to NBA percentages. After such high praise. . . folx will come out to diss him. Honestly I haven't watched him enough to know but from what I saw in the tourney . . I was not overly impressed. Rocket River ------------------
That usually isn't a shooting guard's biggest responsibility. Reread the post, As athletic as Steve Francis. And obviously you haven't seen much of Forte if you don't think he has a good shot. Better than Iverson?Well Maybe not, but he has a very smooth shot that I think will even get better. But percentages CAN be compared. They are both shooting a basketball into a hoop slightly higher than 10 feet tall. The only difference is oppositions defense and the two foot difference at the three point line. And i agree some of my comments were stupid, and i will not pull a "StroShow" and edit my post. Forte will probably never be an all star(in the NBA), but i think he will be a sold 12, 13 point scorer. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
One more thing, The Tourney? You mean all one games? That was quite possibly his worst game of the season. I hope that he stays another year(or two), simply because he would benefit from it. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
