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Ford: Clippers looking to deal?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by m_cable, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. m_cable

    m_cable Member

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    Here's an insider report from everybody's favorite sportswriter, Chad Ford. ;)

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2074159&num=2


    My first reaction was, "The Clippers want cap relief?". What the heck is Chad smoking. The Clippers are way under the cap, are they looking to just give picks away now?

    But we are talking about the clippers here. They gave away Ely and House last year in a misguided effort to land Kobe. And this sounds exactly like what happened when Orlando dealt Maggette and a draft pick in order to clear space for Grant Hill and T-Mac a few years ago, so maybe it is a possiblilty.

    The clips don't have too many people under contract. If we're talking about a salary dump, they'd probably want to keep Brand, Maggette, and Livingston. So that leaves Wilcox and Kaman. The Rox still have a 3.5 million TE. We could absorb either of those contracts. I say we try and swing:

    Wilcox and the #12

    for

    TE and future 1st and 2nd rounder.

    This gives the clips an additional $4 million in cap space, because Wilcox makes about 2.8 mill and the #12 pick counts as a salary slot of about 1.3 mill. Then we draft a backcourt with the #12 and #24. Maybe Raymond Felton at #12 and Francisco Garcia at #24. Or maybe Martell Webster or Antoine Wright at #12 and then Jarrett Jack at #24.

    We add a ton of depth with athletic youngsters for basically nothing. We can keep all of our chemistry guys from last year and and let them groom the guys that will take over in a couple of years. All in all, this is a absolute steal. But there are a couple of things that can twart this deal:

    1. We are talking about Chad Ford here.

    2. If the Salary cap goes up with the next CBA then there is absolutely no reason to do this.

    But on the other hand, we are talking about the Clips here, so anything is possible.
     
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  2. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Felton Spencer? The bust of a center? Are you thinking of Raymond Felton?

    Anyway, interesting article even if it was written by Chad Ford. I'd love to see Wilcox in a Rockets jersey. I'm not sure that isn't more appealing than any of the options we've been discussing lately. Wilcox and a #12? Sign me up. If we could then package the 12 and 24 to move up, all the better. I can't see JVG having two rookies filling up roster spots.
     
  3. m_cable

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    Opps. Yeah I meant Raymond Felton. We'll just pretend we didn't have this conversation.

    Um. I sort of meant that we should both edit out or messages. :rolleyes: ;)
     
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  4. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    My lips are sealed. :D
     
  5. Phreak3

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    On a side note, Dunleavy Sr. coaching Dunleavy Jr.? Yeah, like the Clippers organization is going to let that happen. That is a dysfunctional locker room just waiting to happen.
     
  6. dharocks

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    Like THAT'S ever stopped the Clips from making an idiotic move.
     
  7. New Jack

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    Kaman intrigues me more than Wilcox. Smart, scrappy player, good rebounder and shotblocker, with a nice jumpshot. Kinda reminds me of Troy Murphy. And he's just as young as Wilcox. Doubt the Rockets have enough for either of them though.
     
  8. Mav-Hater

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    Aren't the only two things we would want from this team the two people they are trying to resign? Why in the world would we want to trade for MOT's evil twin Chris Wilcox? Hopefully you have him as a throw in to get the 12 pick. Everything I have seen written about him from his coaches and posts from Clipper fans on this sight is we don't want him because he has no work ethic and disappears. Not exactly what we need between Yao and Tracy.
     
  9. The_Yoyo

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    Dunleavy for wilcox and the 12th??? i cant blame sterling on this one if it goes through its is all baylors fault. that is a really bad trade unless it does clear the cap room to land a major player in the FA market (ray allen?) by doing it may relieve the loss of simmons who they can replace with mike d off the bench. If it is cap space that they want to land a major FA for once i dont think the rockets have anything worth trading for them to be of use right away. I dont know when the TE expires so that may be of use, but if i am not mistaken all our expiring contracts end next season so they wouldnt be of any use in clearing space to sign anyone this off season.

    wilcox and the 12 for anything outside of yao and mcgrady would be great though.
     
  10. dharocks

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    Kaman's a big, lumbering center without much speed or quickness... He's a slightly more athletic Todd MacCulloch (well, much more athletic now, considering some of the problems Todd's had)
     
  11. Relativist

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    I agree, but mostly for the pick. I'm actually not high on Wilcox.
     
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    I dont have the date in front of me...and Im headed to bed, so I dont have time to look it up...but the TE we currently have was acquired via the Tmac trade and as such has a one year shelf life..
     
  13. superden

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    agreed. maybe wilcox can turn out to be alright.... not too bad, but the #12 pick sounds nice.
     
  14. ROXTXIA

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    I don't know if we have the assets for this sort of trade.

    Wilcox is not exactly a "nothing" player. I'm too lazy to check his stats right now, but he can board and block shots. Something we need from our PF spot.
     
  15. okierock

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    Yeah I don't care anything about Wilcox but the #12 in this draft would be really nice. And hopefully and pick we trade will be at least 15 picks lower than #12. This draft is pretty deep so getting a lottery pick would be nice. And I truly believe that having all these old guys playing with TMac and Yao is great but we are going to need some youth to grow with them as well or anything we build here is goinng to be short lived.
     
  16. New Jack

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    He's not superathletic like a Swift or Wilcox, but he's definitely not a stiff. From the Clippers games I've watched, he runs the floor very well. I think Troy Murphy or Brad Miller is a much better comparison that McCullough.
     
  17. Pistol Pete

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    Before we can bring in another power forward, we need to dump a couple of the ones we have now.
     
  18. CriscoKidd

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    I don't really see why the Clipps need to shed money at all, but I'd be willing to trade the TE for Wilcox straight up, at the very least to try him out before he becomes a free agent. I know he put up some good numbers when Brand was out.


    If they want to trade away their draft pick for peanuts so they can be even more players in free agency(yeah, shore), then that'd be gravy.

    Does anyone know, if they got rid of Wilcox and the money slotted to the #12 pick, would they be able to offer a max or near max deal to free agents? I'm not sure what their cap situation looks like right now, but that's the only reason I could think of for them to want to desperately shed salary.

    Gah, I just realized who the source of the article was, time for the :rolleyes:
     
  19. CriscoKidd

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    McCullough is actually a very good comparison. McCullough would have had a nice career if it hadn't have been for injuries.

    But Kaman can't touch Murphy or Miller in terms of athleticism, imo.
     
  20. MrButtocks

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    What a steal. I'd go for that in a heartbeat. Draft martell webster and jarret jack (if he's still there). Sign chris anderson. I like that young team in a couple of years.
     

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