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For thr Love of God and Country, Let's Get Rid Of The Two Party System!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by MacBeth, Sep 29, 2002.

  1. MacBeth

    MacBeth Member

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    I;m a tad woozie right now, so my typos may be coming fast and furious, but my thoughts are clear as a bell...By the way, how can you be clear as a bell and have any clarity at all? It's like selling like hot cakes...Now maybe I've lead a sheltered life or something, but I have yet to see a massive run on hotcakes...Anyways, where was I? Oh, yeah, right. Two Party System...Do we all agree it's wrong, must be stopped, leads to entrenched partisan lack of real dialogue...you're either on that side of the fence, boy, or your on this with us...Which is it gonnna be? So what i want to hear from you, my BBSers who are intelligent, wonderfull people, ( who aren't drunk as a skunk, as I.....might be.(

    qUestion: IS the two party system working, and if not what are some real, practical, insightfull answers to how to fix it?

    Ok..that's me, out.
     
  2. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    The two party system is great. Our founding fathers made it so every fricken moron in the country gets the same vote. The two party system gives them two seemingly diametrically opposed sides to choose from. It makes it easy for any idiot to decide.
     
  3. heypartner

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    MacBeth, did you try the two party system tonight? Maybe you should stick to the one party system.
     
  4. Coach AI

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    Actually, I agree. All it does is cause gridlock (GRIDLOCK!) between the two sides as they waste time and money bickering like kids on the playground while nothing gets done and supporters of each side block out any possible resolution by disregarding the opinions of the other side just for the sake of sticking to the political label they have slapped across their thick-skulled foreheads.

    Or maybe I just need a drink too.
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    :mad: Demmit! Rokkit, why did you have to say: GRIDLOCK!...Now I have this damn image of Ross Perrot's sidekick :mad:
     
  6. Oski2005

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    You can't just get rid of it. This is crazy, people will never agree to one kind of thought, that isn't even democracy. If you think it's bad now, try to imagine what it would really be like if there weren't any parties. Do you think we would all just decide to agree on everything? Which way of doing things would we choose? What would really happen is that instead of 2 main parties, there would be a bunch of smaller ones, basically special interest groups. People all feel strongly about something. So, say the NRA wants certain legislation passed or stopped. They would have to make deals with others to support thier ideas. It would be a whole system of back door back scratching, more complicated and even dirtier than what we have now. You know why our Fore Fathers didn't want partisan politics? Because back then only the upper crust of society could vote, land owners. So, since they were a minority of the population and usually quite like minded, there didn't need to be any kind of political party.

    I hope you are being sarcastic Pole. Especially since not every "fricken moron" even bothers to vote. What's your problem? Do you think that not all of your fellow Americans should be allowed to vote anymore? How should we decide now who is worthy to participate in democracy and who should be cast aside and forced to follow the rule of the few?
     
  7. LeGrouper

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    These are the kind of posts I read this forum for. Thanks HeyPartner. I don't know if I know you well enough to call you Heypee or even why they call you that.

    But regarding the two party system I am absolutely with you Macbeth. I have an undergrad in economics from Texas A&M and while in my senior year I came to the realization that instead of politicians running the country we need economists running the country. With a two party system all you ever have are the people who are successful in convincing other people to vote for them in power. They have no idea what the hell is going on, they have all of their important decisions made for them and the campaigns between them are based on stupid things like abortion and gays in the military. I would never call myself a republican even though I am for low taxes. But I am also for a high minimum wage. I think Richard Nixon was twice the a$$ Clinton was, but I think Clinton was damn near the antichrist. I simply cannot pick a party. I guess I am a libertarian.

    The democrat and republican nominees are always just the people chosen by the little guy behind the curtain for both parties because the hidden guy believes that this candidate will look the best on television and do what he is told. We are not lead by leaders but instead by lobbyists. Money runs this country so lets get some intelligent economists running the country. And btw, I am not an economists, I just think the primary objective of any elected official should be to ensure the prosperity of the economy because at the end of the day that is what we all live for and that is what makes any country great.
     
  8. MacBeth

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    I wasn't necessarily advocating reducing it to one party, but was more going on about the political restrictions imposed by trotting out the same two party ideologies every few years, with essentially the same two versions of what will work, and the same rhetoric about why the other side won't. That, and I was just a little drunk. But I satnd by my objections to us having the same dance every 4 years...what I wasn and am looking for were some innovative ideas. I'm no fan of Ross Perot, but what he represented was, to a degree, exciting, and needed, I think. If only it didn't have to be half-senile multi-billionaires.
     
  9. LeGrouper

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    Sorry to have to point this out to you Macbeth but HP was referring to a different type of party than what you are thinking of.
     
  10. MacBeth

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    I was aware of that...lol..I was responding to the tone of those who objected to my post under the assumption that I was against us having options...My point is that we don't have enough.
     
  11. MadMax

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    No system is perfect.. the two-party system is no different, obviously. But ultimately there are some fundamental questions that split people...that's why there's a "yes" or a "no" on your ballot for a referendum. One group of people values "x", so they vote "yes." Another values "y"...so they vote "no"....Voila! the two-party system.
     
  12. A-Train

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    It's a two party system...you have to vote for ONE of us!
     
  13. Rocket River

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    How about this. . .
    we do NOT have a two party system
    we ALLOW a two party system

    who supports the liberterians? Greens? Reform?
    If thier popular support increased
    then so would their parties. . .

    nothing is stopping a 3rd or even 4th party
    from springing up.


    Rocket river
     
  14. MadMax

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    you said that a lot better than i did!
     
  15. RunninRaven

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    Well I believe I will vote for a 3rd party candidate!
     
  16. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Isn't grid lock the point. Incremental change. It's worked so far.
     
  17. MacBeth

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    I suspect that the inability to actually do anything significant because of gridlock is why the quality of people who run for office is at such a low point. Leaders with vision and ability are faced with enduring endless fundraisers, constant scrutiny, no private life to speak of, and partisan-based oppostiion, and at the end of the day can accomplish very little...Who needs it?
     
  18. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Probably all true, but acting slowly allows everyone to participate in the decision making process. This adds diversity and reduces conflict. Even though we may not have great leaders making the decisions, we have a larger number of people helping to make it. Thus increasing the knowledge base. And making sure everyone is represented as best we can.
     
  19. LeGrouper

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    You are absolutely right. I don't want to change the system. I want to change people's vote. Every party should have have their say, and if they win they win. But I think something is strangely dominant about the current two party system. Hopefully one will die or transform so that we can remember that the most important thing is making sure the constitution is upheld. Maybe in my lifetime. If not, I still have Yao Ming to look forward too next year. Maybe. Too many Freaking maybe's in life. That is the mystery of woman.
     
  20. Coach AI

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    "Go ahead, waste your vote!"
     

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