1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

For those who think McCain doesn't = Bush...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, Sep 7, 2008.

Tags:
  1. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    13,083
    Likes Received:
    8,401
    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ioggM-6nWoY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ioggM-6nWoY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
     
  2. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    Wow...a Jon Stewart clip is supposed to be a serious analysis of McCain's stance on anything? Are you serious?
     
  3. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    13,083
    Likes Received:
    8,401
    The point is W fed everyone the SAME lies that McCain is spewing.....
     
  4. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    62,073
    Likes Received:
    41,741
    did you watch the clip?

    It runs clips of Bush's 2000 conventoin speech and McCain's 2008 speech in which they appear to be almost quoting each other.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,737
    Likes Received:
    40,311
    That is AMAZING........

    I wish every single voting American could see that clip.

    It is telling.

    DD
     
  6. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    Right after he pokes fun at the stage, the graphics, the people...everything. I am sure that Mr. Stewart was concerned greatly that his presentation was accurate, and nothing was taken out of context.
     
  7. Mulder

    Mulder Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 1999
    Messages:
    7,118
    Likes Received:
    81
    Abso-freakin-lutely.

    Because all the Daily Show has to do is show actual footage of Republican leaders lying to the American people.

    That is all the analysis anyone should need.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,737
    Likes Received:
    40,311
    Look, whether you agree or not watch the clip it is great for a chuckle.

    DD
     
  9. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 1999
    Messages:
    15,937
    Likes Received:
    5,491
    Even if you think they are different personally or with regard to character, surely you'd acknowledge that it is the rule rather than the exception that McCain would continue Bush's policies? You can gauge this not only from his history of supporting Bush 90-95% of the time, but you can confirm it because his platform does not differ in any meaningful way from the Bush policies. On foreign policy, the economy, taxes, jobs, energy, the environment, education and health care (to name a few major issues), McCain's plans are a dead ringer for the last eight years. If anyone here disagrees, I'd love to hear why. In which policy areas would you say that McCain will do anything differently than Bush?

    If they have even one meaningful difference in policy, someone please let me know. I've been following this election incredibly closely and it would be the first time I'd heard of it.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2002
    Messages:
    15,885
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    What % of the time does Barack Obama vote with Bush? Has anyone done that analysis?
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,737
    Likes Received:
    40,311
    I heard on the news the other day in matters of Iraqi troops, I think he was like 85 for 85.....which seemed strange to me.

    I have no backup other than hearing it on the tube....but someone may be able to verify it, or debunk it.

    DD
     
  12. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,263
    Likes Received:
    10,549
    I think I read somewhere around 40%. Can't remember where I saw it though.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,737
    Likes Received:
    40,311

    A lot more change at 40% than 90%..eh?

    DD
     
  14. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,980
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    I've heard Obama is very close to McCain in terms of voting with Bush
     
  15. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    First, thank you for the question. I really appreciate it.

    After listening to McCain's speech twice, here are a couple of things that I note...

    1. McCain says he will reduce taxes "where I can." This can be interpreted a couple of ways. It could mean where he can get it through Congress. It could mean where he believes it is feasible. I interpret it as the latter. This is in contrast to Bush, who rammed his tax cuts through Congress whether or not it was a good idea.

    2. Health care. Bush has done NOTHING on the issue. McCain states that he will help people find affordable insurance. I believe that this means that he plans to reform the current system (where your employer, who could give a damn, picks your product) to one in which government works with the insurance industry to create competitive products, and even subsidize them. This is also in stark contrast to Bush.

    3. McCain talks about taking displaced workers from the hardest hit industries and helping make up the difference while they are retraining for new work. This is something where Bush has done NOTHING. Another contrast from Bush.

    Maybe I am overly optimistic. Maybe I am hearing what I want to hear.

    I don't believe that I am.
     
  16. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    62,073
    Likes Received:
    41,741
    Why do you sound so petulant - and why do you think we need more context?

    The clip is of Bush is making campaign promises in the form of one liners before the convention in 2000 and McCain doing the same in 2008.

    What more context do you need/are we lacking?
     
  17. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    62,073
    Likes Received:
    41,741
    McCain's plan is to give a bunch of tax breaks to health insurers - the tax breaks to health insurers will accrue to the benefit of their shareholders - basically though it's not even CLOSE to a real solution to the health care issue.
     
  18. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    Where did you see that? I am NOT arguing with you. I would like to take a look at it. I would agree with you that this would not lead to more insured people.
     
  19. IROC it

    IROC it Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 1999
    Messages:
    12,629
    Likes Received:
    89
    100% That's right.


    UHWNED
     
  20. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,263
    Likes Received:
    10,549
    This is from his website. Bolds are mine to make it easier. Not a lot of meat there and quite a few Republican planks from platforms gone by...

     

Share This Page